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post #2161 of 3282
didn't know that, OP needs to reorder then =\
post #2162 of 3282
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Originally Posted by tobiasj View Post

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Originally Posted by Satorialist View Post

I used body measurements not shirt measurements, maybe that's why I don't see a yoke option. I'm still unclear with how to fix this....

Step One: Measure the shirt you have according to the measuring guide on the MT site. Plug those values into your profile on the MT site.

Step Two: Decide how you would like to change the fit that you got with the first shirt (reduce the yoke measurement etc.). Update the values in your profile on the MT site accordingly.

Step Three: Order a new shirt based on your new, now-perfect measurements, and give the shirt you already have to charity.

DONE.

+1. Use shirt measurements. I've never seen a well-fitting shirt from MT with body measurements. You will be able to adjust the yoke using shirt measurements. Also, if you don't know what yoke is, you probably shouldn't be ordering MTM shirts.
post #2163 of 3282
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Originally Posted by Beatlegeuse View Post


+1. Use shirt measurements. I've never seen a well-fitting shirt from MT with body measurements. You will be able to adjust the yoke using shirt measurements. Also, if you don't know what yoke is, you probably shouldn't be ordering MTM shirts.

I was confounded at first because there's no yoke option to be found for Body Measurements (what I originally used). None. My body measurements are damn well spot-on and in theory should equal a better fitting shirt than simply "measure your best fitting shirt"....

I'm massively irritated that I'm forced to do a set of new measurements, this time measurements of the shirt, which in the end only creates a whole set of new unknowns with the next shirt. And when that doesn't work out, I'll be advised to use Body Measurements instead. No.

This isn't the way to go. There should be, must be, a better way....

What the fuck? Honestly, this problem has got to be fixed, and there should be a way to fix it via Body Measurements--otherwise, why have Body Measurements in the first God damned place?

ModernTailor representative care to comment please?
post #2164 of 3282
Jeez, settle down. Starting out with MTM is not easy, it involves a lot of trial and error, as anyone who has posted in this thread - or pretty much anyone on StyleForum - can tell you. It took me a couple tries to dial my fit in correctly, but it was worth the wait. You can't expect a perfect-fitting shirt on your first try, which is why they offer the $19.95 trial shirts.

Take a deep breath, count to 10, and try using shirt measurements next time.

Also, someone posted a page or two back that MT is sending pics of the shirt again when they ship it. They're right! Just got a pic of my next shirt that is on the way right now.
post #2165 of 3282
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Originally Posted by Satorialist View Post

Body: Athletic (maybe should have been 'slim')

I chose 'Athletic' over "slim' for the body, fearing not having enough freedom of movement with my arms (again, my broad shoulders). But something's off, it looks....odd.

What is your 'drop' (difference between chest and waist measurements)? If it isn't 7+ inches then it is probably a mistake to choose 'athletic'. Your wide shoulders are already accounted for by the shoulder width measurement, accurately entering your measurements should provide plenty of 'freedom of movement' without needing to fudge the other variables.
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I have no issue going through multiple shirts in order to dial down perfect fit. That's expected. However, I should not have to create a separate set of Shirt Measurements in addition to the perfectly good set of Body Measurements I already made. Tweaking my Body Measurements should suffice, otherwise, why is the option even offered? One or the other, yeah?

But this clearly isn't the case. I hope a ModernTailor rep comments, as this should be fixable via body measurements and if it can't, something's seriously wrong with the entire process--just eliminate the body measurement option all together.
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Originally Posted by Sanguis Mortuum View Post


What is your 'drop' (difference between chest and waist measurements)? If it isn't 7+ inches then it is probably a mistake to choose 'athletic'. Your wide shoulders are already accounted for by the shoulder width measurement, accurately entering your measurements should provide plenty of 'freedom of movement' without needing to fudge the other variables.

Good point.

I've got a ~6 inch drop. (That's not right, will remeasure). The chest is roomy and I may dial this measurement back an half-inch or an inch to see how that works out. And suppose I should go for Slim, not Athletic? Could this be the real hiccup?

Would be helpful if the website clearly stated exactly how the Body selections (Slim, Athletic, etc.) change the final dimensions (same for Back and Shoulder too). This may be the real problem.
Edited by Satorialist - 8/19/11 at 9:05am
post #2168 of 3282
Judging by the shoulders on your first shirt, the body measurements you used aren't "perfectly good." I'm just speaking from experience and basing it on what I've seen in this thread - I've never seen a good shirt that came out of using body measurements. I'm pretty sure there's even a disclaimer on MT's website where they recommend using shirt measurements instead of body measurements to get a better fit. Maybe they do have a few customers that have gotten a good fit using body measurements, and that's why they keep it as an option. But in my experience shirt measurements are usually better.
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Originally Posted by Satorialist View Post


I was confounded at first because there's no yoke option to be found for Body Measurements (what I originally used). None. My body measurements are damn well spot-on and in theory should equal a better fitting shirt than simply "measure your best fitting shirt"....

I'm massively irritated that I'm forced to do a set of new measurements, this time measurements of the shirt, which in the end only creates a whole set of new unknowns with the next shirt. And when that doesn't work out, I'll be advised to use Body Measurements instead. No.

This isn't the way to go. There should be, must be, a better way....

What the fuck? Honestly, this problem has got to be fixed, and there should be a way to fix it via Body Measurements--otherwise, why have Body Measurements in the first God damned place?

ModernTailor representative care to comment please?

If you're going to bitch about the body measurements, suck it up, visit a local tailor, and have it made for you.

I fail to see the problem. Every single poster in here, including ModernTailor suggests using shirt measurements as they are made to that exact set of specs while allowing for shrinkage and stretching, yet you're surprised that when you went against the grain that your product was subpar? Yes, it is not good that you received something that was not to your satisfaction, but had you done the proper research, it would not have happened.

It also takes approximately 2 minutes to take proper shirt measurements. If you cannot spare two minutes to take them, perhaps you should not be on StyleForum to begin with....
post #2170 of 3282
I would just like to note that I used the body measurements and I feel like you CAN get a good fit from it after a few trials.

Why are people saying different? Are the shirts produced with the same body measurements not consistent?
post #2171 of 3282
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Originally Posted by usctrojans31 View Post

It also takes approximately 2 minutes to take proper shirt measurements. If you cannot spare two minutes to take them, perhaps you should not be on StyleForum to begin with....

+1.

Body measurements are good if you don't yet own any remotely well fitting shirts, you can plug in your body measurements and get something that fits reasonably well, but then the next logical step is to take measurements of that shirt, plug them into the shirt measurements section, then alter them to further improve the fit.
post #2172 of 3282
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If you're going to bitch about the body measurements, suck it up, visit a local tailor, and have it made for you.

I fail to see the problem. Every single poster in here, including ModernTailor suggests using shirt measurements as they are made to that exact set of specs while allowing for shrinkage and stretching, yet you're surprised that when you went against the grain that your product was subpar? Yes, it is not good that you received something that was not to your satisfaction, but had you done the proper research, it would not have happened.

Please, illuminate me: In exactly what dimensions are the given set-measurements of a shirt altered by each of the sub-variables under: Body, Shoulders, Posture, etc.?

You can't answer. This information is not on ModernTailor's website. "Slim" and "Athletic" can mean anything without context....and it's still yet to be determined if this is what caused the problem.

ModernTailor encourage's people to measure a shirt they already have because it's less likely the Average Joe will screw those measurements up compared to someone taking their own body measurements. It's also more convenient. In my case though, my body measurements were taken by a 3rd party so I know they're accurate. The fact that the shirt fits really well is proof of this, the one exception is the strange amount of fabric in the upper back--which essentially has no fix via the body measurement method.

That shouldn't be the case.

I do hope ModernTailor takes note.
post #2173 of 3282
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Originally Posted by Satorialist View Post

The fact that the shirt fits really well is proof of this, the one exception is the strange amount of fabric in the upper back--which essentially has no fix via the body measurement method.

That shouldn't be the case.

It probably is possible to fix via body measurements, but the problem is that a shirt measurement can possibly derived from a combination of several body measurements, and also one body measurement can potentially effect the values of several shirt measurements. It all depends on the particular pattern drafting system they use, and without knowing every detail of their drafting system it can be hard to determine which body measurements need to be changed to fix a particular fit issue. With shirt measurements this is not an issue; the measurements you give are translated directly to measurements on the shirt, therefore it is easier to tweak the precise measurement necessary to fix the problem (e.g. the yoke width).
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Originally Posted by Satorialist View Post


Please, illuminate me: In exactly what dimensions are the given set-measurements of a shirt altered by each of the sub-variables under: Body, Shoulders, Posture, etc.?

You can't answer. This information is not on ModernTailor's website. "Slim" and "Athletic" can mean anything without context....and it's still yet to be determined if this is what caused the problem.

ModernTailor encourage's people to measure a shirt they already have because it's less likely the Average Joe will screw those measurements up compared to someone taking their own body measurements. It's also more convenient. In my case though, my body measurements were taken by a 3rd party so I know they're accurate. The fact that the shirt fits really well is proof of this, the one exception is the strange amount of fabric in the upper back--which essentially has no fix via the body measurement method.

That shouldn't be the case.

I do hope ModernTailor takes note.

So basically you took body measurements, got an ill fitting shirt, and are now bitching. So what if you took spectacular body measurements? So what if the third party got them spot on? If you had done your homework you would know that body measurement shirts tend to come out less successfully than shirt measured shirts. Don't bitch at MT. They offer a great service at a fucking superb value. If everyone on SF says use a shirt measurement, and MT says use a shirt measurement, then USE A SHIRT MEASUREMENT. If you have a huge hard on for body measurements, go to a tailor IRL and he will measure your body and create a high quality, high cost shirt for you.
post #2175 of 3282
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Originally Posted by ajmanouk View Post


If you had done your homework you would know that body measurement shirts tend to come out less successfully than shirt measured shirts. Don't bitch at MT. They offer a great service at a fucking superb value. If everyone on SF says use a shirt measurement, and MT says use a shirt measurement, then USE A SHIRT MEASUREMENT.

First, your underlying assumption is totally wrong but for the sake of argument let's pretend it's true: that MT prefers shirt measurements to body measurements. Then why offer Body Measurements at all, especially if the unspoken "truth" is that one is likely to be forced in re-measureing using the Shirt Measurements?

If i've encountered this problem then chances are others have too and ModernTailor is better for knowing about it. It would be wrong to assume I'm down on ModernTailor; I'm not. I like their product and plan on doing lots of business with them but I'm rightfully frustrated that there's no clear fix to the problem.
Edited by Satorialist - 8/19/11 at 7:30pm
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