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post #16 of 40
Yes, but then the stream moves elsewhere and gets broken up again, perhaps part of it gets broken yet again by another waterfall and the water again splits up and becomes droplets...thus, then is it possible to be reborn in this existence? Or perhaps you are reborn on another plane of existence, only to die again. Or maybe it's not really you, its only part of you, since a water droplet never splits the same way twice, perhaps you add on part of another droplet (person / entity / whatever) or you lose part of yourself.

Jon.
post #17 of 40
That new droplet is not you, it's not even part of you. It's an entirely different element of everything. I guess.
post #18 of 40
God is the result of a mindset that clings to the ego, the concept of a controlling principle to the universe.
post #19 of 40
Tck, it sounds as if we see eye to eye on a lot of this stuff. Saucemaster can relate some of our email conversation re: logic, rationalism, and faith if he'd like. Actually, I'd like to see how a sorta actual philosopher sums up my ramblings

Tom
post #20 of 40
To sum up Tck (which is what I think he's trying to say) is pretty much how I view "god", more as the force of nature rather than a personified deity the way Christians view God.

I think it's interesting that even in the Bible, it mentions that humans cannot comprehend God completely, yet much of the Bible is spent trying to humanize God, as merifuly, vengeful, loving, angry etc...all very human traits.

I believe that whether "god" is just nature, or even something more like the Christian concept....it's beyond our understanding so I don't spend time worrying about it or the afterlife and just go about my business the best I can.
post #21 of 40
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Originally Posted by imageWIS
Yes, but then the stream moves elsewhere and gets broken up again, perhaps part of it gets broken yet again by another waterfall and the water again splits up and becomes droplets...thus, then is it possible to be reborn in this existence? Or perhaps you are reborn on another plane of existence, only to die again. Or maybe it's not really you, its only part of you, since a water droplet never splits the same way twice, perhaps you add on part of another droplet (person / entity / whatever) or you lose part of yourself.

Jon.
Actually, you evaporate, float around a while and rain back down on Seattle.
post #22 of 40
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Originally Posted by VersaceMan

What is the purpose of god? Why bother to create humans, put them through a test on earth, then send them to heaven or hell? What does god get from this? If heaven is eternal, what is god's role in heaven? Does he hang out with all the spirits there?

If there is a god, perhaps we are entertainment of sorts for him.

You ever played SimCity? 'Nuff said :P

I'm sure he's having a jolly ole' time throwing earth quakes and hurricanes our way :P
post #23 of 40
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Originally Posted by j
Actually, you evaporate, float around a while and rain back down on Seattle.



Or South Florida. Last night was crazy; I think I saw at least 100 bolts of lightning.

Jon.
post #24 of 40
GOD.... hmm... god is everything invisible. god is the empty space between atoms. god is what we cant explain or fathom with our minds. god is the patterns in nature that control things, patterns that we havent been able to understand yet.
post #25 of 40
G_d is incomprehensibly simple, it’s the human nature to overcomplicate things that gets in the way. I believe in re-incarnation but not in the sense that you come back as yourself in another form but in the true sense of everything being recycled. The universe is dynamic but not infinite.
post #26 of 40
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Originally Posted by Rome
G_d is incomprehensibly simple, it's the human nature to overcomplicate things that gets in the way. I believe in re-incarnation but not in the sense that you come back as yourself in another form but in the true sense of everything being recycled. The universe is dynamic but not infinite.

I know some theoretical physicists that would disagree with you.

Jon.
post #27 of 40
Everything is governed by its own set of rules. The universe in its entirety is not exempt. If G_d is (at least to me) all things in aggregate then it too is set by rules and thereby knowable.
post #28 of 40
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Originally Posted by tiger02
Tck, it sounds as if we see eye to eye on a lot of this stuff. Saucemaster can relate some of our email conversation re: logic, rationalism, and faith if he'd like. Actually, I'd like to see how a sorta actual philosopher sums up my ramblings

I would, too. Unfortunately, I'm just a dude with an undergraduate degree in philosophy.

Tom, I'll have to let you sum up your views when you get back. Basically Tom is a DaoBuddhiHinduNietzscheCatholic Christian. For a militant baby-killer, he has some surprisingly touchy-feely views about how there is no real duality in the world and such. Actually, Tom, we talked a lot about logic vs. rationalism vs. faith and all that, but I'm not sure you actually relayed much of your specific views on God. I'm curious.

For my part, I cannot prove, but remain convinced, that God/the gods are one of the more successful human inventions to explain what we cannot understand. As our understanding has grown, the concept of God has begun to dwindle in stature and has been relegated to a much smaller space, so to speak. And our current inventions that help us explain what we do not know will be eventually supplanted, too, I'm sure.
post #29 of 40
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Originally Posted by Get Smart
To sum up Tck (which is what I think he's trying to say) is pretty much how I view "god", more as the force of nature rather than a personified deity the way Christians view God.

Yeah, that's kinda close. I am saying that (and I'm trying not to be very esoteric or 'out there') God IS flowing water, the force that pushes blood through the veins, moves a sperm towards an egg, a planet to spin, and on and on. That's what makes God a part of us and everything. To get close to God is to just feel the breath for example. To see the energy behind everything that keeps it moving, that makes us grow old, that's God. Which everyone is a physical part of with the conscience and awareness to actually see it. That's the fascinating thing and one thing that's hard to understand. We've been given the ability to look at God. Maybe God has turned the mirror on himself and uses human eyes to see it?

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I think it's interesting that even in the Bible, it mentions that humans cannot comprehend God completely, yet much of the Bible is spent trying to humanize God, as merifuly, vengeful, loving, angry etc...all very human traits.

I am finding that Christianity (trinity) has been very biased (by mankind) and philosophies like Hinduism and Buddism are less dogmatic and more of a philosophy. (Not that I don't like Catholicism but) Hinduism, for example, has many "Gods" and they represent many different things in life and the various ways God exists. It isn't that one worships these Gods but God is so many different things to so many different people, God requires different ways to be described and looked at. For example, a woman is a wife to one person, a mother to another, a teacher at her job... She is only one person. God is many different things also and requires different meanings.

Mythology and storytelling and various Gods (for me) tell, in a much better way, what God is. Christianity seems to limit the story telling quite a bit.
post #30 of 40
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Originally Posted by Tck13
For example, a woman is a wife to one person, a mother to another, a teacher at her job... She is only one person. God is many different things also and requires different meanings.
I like that analogy.
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Originally Posted by Saucemaster
For my part, I cannot prove, but remain convinced, that God/the gods are one of the more successful human inventions to explain what we cannot understand. As our understanding has grown, the concept of God has begun to dwindle in stature and has been relegated to a much smaller space, so to speak. And our current inventions that help us explain what we do not know will be eventually supplanted, too, I'm sure.
I would say that while God occupies a smaller space in terms explaining the formerly unexplainable workings of the physical world, God's stature is undiminished because we continue to struggle as much as ever (and probably always will) with the more elusive challenge of achieving and maintaining a sense of personal fulfillment and contentment.
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