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post #1 of 12
8/1/10 at 5:33pm
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*I hate baseball but I love this guy...and he's right on this, Asian players come here and get much better treatment and advantages that poor Hispanic kids don't get.

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post #2 of 12
8/2/10 at 8:38am
Yeah, no kidding, Latin players are a dime a dozen, a good Asian player...we've only had at best 2. Plus MLB still would like the Asian market to be wider than what it is. Its why the NBA loves Yao Ming so much.
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post #3 of 12
8/2/10 at 11:28am
The reason Japanese players get treated differently is that they are already pros. the latino kids come in and are amateurs just looking for a shot. They do not have the leverage the Japanese players have. Do not think the Japanese players are the only ones who negotiate for these types of perks in their contracts. Their are white players who have clauses in their contracts for their families to use private jets and to always get a suite on road trips, so on and so forth. This has been going on for a long time. I like Ozzie but this time he is just opening his big mouth for the MLB reality tv show he is doing. He knew this would get attention.
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post #4 of 12
8/2/10 at 12:07pm
ozzie has some solid points if you actually read into them.

in the baseball world the latino players actually come off like the "silent AZN" stereotype: hard working, silent, and never rock the status quo.

its is a double standard but more of a economic one. the AZN markets offer more economic potential while the latino markets (outside of the USA) offer the labor.

so the AZNs are coddled with translators and what not because if they make it big it means that a whole country (like japan or taiwan) will be behind said player (through jersey sales and rites) while the latino player becomes a commodity onto himself (increased revenue for the team he's playing for).

the sad thing is that most of the AZNs never really learn english well enough to make public interviews in english while most of the latino superstars actually end up being fluent.
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post #5 of 12
8/2/10 at 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by Wallcloud View Post
The reason Japanese players get treated differently is that they are already pros. the latino kids come in and are amateurs just looking for a shot. They do not have the leverage the Japanese players have. Do not think the Japanese players are the only ones who negotiate for these types of perks in their contracts. Their are white players who have clauses in their contracts for their families to use private jets and to always get a suite on road trips, so on and so forth. This has been going on for a long time.
I like Ozzie but this time he is just opening his big mouth for the MLB reality tv show he is doing. He knew this would get attention.

I don't know about this. I don't think Japanese players have any leverage. The only thing they can do is go back and play in Japan, and that league is quickly turning into the Negro leagues of the 1950's



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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post
ozzie has some solid points if you actually read into them.

in the baseball world the latino players actually come off like the "silent AZN" stereotype: hard working, silent, and never rock the status quo.

its is a double standard but more of a economic one. the AZN markets offer more economic potential while the latino markets (outside of the USA) offer the labor.

so the AZNs are coddled with translators and what not because if they make it big it means that a whole country (like japan or taiwan) will be behind said player (through jersey sales and rites) while the latino player becomes a commodity onto himself (increased revenue for the team he's playing for).

the sad thing is that most of the AZNs never really learn english well enough to make public interviews in english while most of the latino superstars actually end up being fluent.

^This is the right answer, accept for the part where you said that Latino superstars end up being fluent....I disagree.
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post #6 of 12
8/2/10 at 12:16pm
Are there that many teams out there nowadays that don't have a Spanish speaking coach? Serious question.
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post #7 of 12
8/2/10 at 12:23pm
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This is the right answer, accept for the part where you said that Latino superstars end up being fluent....I disagree.
i did say most latino superstars, not most latino players. fluent: david ortiz/hanley ramirez/pedro martinez (scary to the point where pedro knew how to skew the language to his advantage and mind fuck reporters fellow players), albert pujos, carols pena, ect. the superstar latino players know the "game" and pick up english enough to be able to interview and do commercials in english for the benefit of everyone. guys like vlad guerrero are almost the exception to the rule. hell even miguel tejada can hold an english interview. i love the fact that manny ramirez sounds like he just stepped off a plane from the dominican, but actually graduated from a NYC highschool!
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post #8 of 12
8/2/10 at 12:23pm
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Are there that many teams out there nowadays that don't have a Spanish speaking coach? Serious question.

Ozzie makes the point that while you may have a spanish speaking pitching coach, what does that do for your hitters??

I think its much ado about nothing honestly.
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post #9 of 12
8/2/10 at 12:29pm
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Ozzie makes the point that while you may have a spanish speaking pitching coach, what does that do for your hitters??

I think its much ado about nothing honestly.

Yep. More Ozzie being Ozzie.
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post #10 of 12
8/2/10 at 1:36pm
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Are there that many teams out there nowadays that don't have a Spanish speaking coach? Serious question.
I don't think the Twins do. P.S. Ozzie is good copy. The dude says whatever is bouncing around inside his head.
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post #11 of 12
8/2/10 at 3:31pm
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i love the fact that manny ramirez sounds like he just stepped off a plane from the dominican, but actually graduated from a NYC highschool!

That's a classic case of "Manny being Manny".

Even as a Cubs/Red Sox fan, I enjoy Ozzie. GM Kenny Williams are totally committed to winning, even when they're at each others' throats. Guillen's battles with former Sun-Time (now AOL Fanhouse) sportwriter Jay Mariotti are legendary - like Godzilla versus the Smog Monster.

By the way, the best European football clubs are stocked with an array of "internationals" (and many managers are imported from other countries) - do the clubs employ translators or do the players and managers all make due, muddling their way through the local language?
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post #12 of 12
8/2/10 at 3:37pm
Ozzie Guillen is a moron.
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