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post #151 of 181
I'm a little late but congrats on the new car, the 430 is gorgeous, great decision. My father has always had a Ferrari in the garage and I've grown a great appreciation for them since a young age.

Hopefully one day i'll trade in BMW's for a 246 GTS. I'm hoping that by the time us youngsters (im 26) will be ready to purchase these cars, there will be a superflous amount of 360's available on the used market priced at the level of 308's today.

MrR
post #152 of 181
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Originally Posted by MrRogers
I'm a little late but congrats on the new car, the 430 is gorgeous, great decision. My father has always had a Ferrari in the garage and I've grown a great appreciation for them since a young age.

Hopefully one day i'll trade in BMW's for a 246 GTS. I'm hoping that by the time us youngsters (im 26) will be ready to purchase these cars, there will be a superflous amount of 360's available on the used market priced at the level of 308's today.

MrR
I think you will be in luck. Ferrari are building more cars than ever before. This is good news for those looking for used cars in the future.
post #153 of 181
zjp, being an owner of Ferrari's for some years, how do you feel about standard stick shift no longer being an option in liu of the F1 paddles. Pop's picked up a 550 Maranello earlier in the year and gripes about the unavailability of a standard stick.

I'm sure the paddles offer a quicker shift but for the purists who rarely visit the track seems that recent offerings leave them wanting in this dept. Waddya u think?

MrR
post #154 of 181
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Originally Posted by MrRogers
zjp, being an owner of Ferrari's for some years, how do you feel about standard stick shift no longer being an option in liu of the F1 paddles. Pop's picked up a 550 Maranello earlier in the year and gripes about the unavailability of a standard stick.

I'm sure the paddles offer a quicker shift but for the purists who rarely visit the track seems that recent offerings leave them wanting in this dept. Waddya u think?

MrR
MrR -

Stick is still available on all models except the Enzo.

In addition, stick was the only transmission available on the 550, which they stopped production of in 2001.

So, are you sure?
post #155 of 181
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Perhaps he got a used 575? Stick was available on the 575, but only about 10% of cars were ordered with it.
post #156 of 181
zjp, perhaps i'm mistaken and confusing the 550 and 575. The car was bought new from the dealership after trading in an 01 360, long bonnet, engine in the front if that differentiates between the two. From what i understood a stick wasnt an option, but perhaps it was rather just unavailable.

MrR
post #157 of 181
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Originally Posted by MrRogers
zjp, perhaps i'm mistaken and confusing the 550 and 575. The car was bought new from the dealership after trading in an 01 360, long bonnet, engine in the front if that differentiates between the two. From what i understood a stick wasnt an option, but perhaps it was rather just unavailable.

MrR
If it has a back seat, it's the 612 Scaglietti
If he is a super-VIP Ferrari customer, and he just got it, it might be the brand new 599 GTB
Most likely, however, if it has paddles and is front engine, it's the 575 Maranello.

All of these cars come with manual, though they are rare with the manual. The 575 Superamerica also came with a standard manual. Pics of these attached.
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post #158 of 181
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Originally Posted by zjpj83
If it has a back seat, it's the 612 Scaglietti
If he is a super-VIP Ferrari customer, and he just got it, it might be the brand new 599 GTB
Most likely, however, if it has paddles and is front engine, it's the 575 Maranello.

All of these cars come with manual, though they are rare with the manual. The 575 Superamerica also came with a standard manual. Pics of these attached.


Haha now im thoroughly confused, ill have to check. Its not a 612 as we both find that model hideous, not the 599 as i'm familiar with that. Hes an aficionado but has always owned mainstream stuff, dino, 308, TR, 360 etc.
Thanks for the knowledge though

MrR
post #159 of 181
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I wanted a F430 in 6-speed and was told I had to get an F1. They just don't get many 6-speed allocations. The factory tells the dealer "ok, this month you can order 9 F1s and 1 6-speed." I don't know why it's so hard for the factory to build whatever gearbox is ordered, but that's how I was told it happens.
post #160 of 181
What are the advantages of stick over paddles?
post #161 of 181
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Originally Posted by zjpj83
I wanted a F430 in 6-speed and was told I had to get an F1.

How many cars do you have to buy before you can buy exactly what you want?
post #162 of 181
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Originally Posted by hopkins_student
How many cars do you have to buy before you can buy exactly what you want?
Good question.

For instance, my dealer, with whom I am friendly, said that in order to by the next Supercar, the Enzo replacement, Ferrari looks at a bunch of different things such as:

* Does the client participate in the Challenge series?
* What is the oldest Ferrari in their collection?
* Did the client ever flip cars without going through their Ferrari dealer?
* How many 8 cylinder car have they purchased new?
* How many 12 cylinder cars have they purchased new?
* Do they participate in shows such as Cavallino, Pebble Beach, etc, etc?
* What other exotic supercars do they have in their collection?
* What other Ferrari supercars do they have?
post #163 of 181
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Originally Posted by Kent Wang
What are the advantages of stick over paddles?

Connectedness to the road which has benefits to performance ("feeling" the car better for reaction, having more analog control via clutch pedal), driving pleasure, being able to skip gears. I like that my car is very mechanical. I always feel very connected to the road. When I drive most modern cars, I feel completely disconnected due to all of the things in the way (torque converters, rubber bushings, electronics deciding what to do for me, soft suspensions) between the inputs (clutch, brake, and throttle pedals, shifter, steering) and the outputs (tires on the road).

It is analogous to Vinyl vs. CD. One sounds better than the other to different groups of people. Which is better? Well, CD is easier, just like paddles are easier, but does that make it better? Who knows. Hehe.

I've never owned a non-stick manual car. An auto with paddles or a manual with paddles (I've driven both) are just not fun to me. Driving is supposed to be fun, but I can definitely see why people opt for the other transmissions.
post #164 of 181
I love watching Top Gear or Fifth Gear and they get into an F-1 style gearbox car and theres always something that goes wrong. Many a times Clarkson ends up cursing and saying "Damn thing wont let me shift when i want it to, im the driver i know when to shift i dont need the car to tell me this" and i think that sums it up pretty good. As a driver you want to be in control of what your doing, when to shift, REV matching at certain RPM's, when to downshift, things of this nature. Its difficult when the car simply wont let you because of all the electronic systems.
post #165 of 181
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Originally Posted by jamesbond
I love watching Top Gear or Fifth Gear and they get into an F-1 style gearbox car and theres always something that goes wrong. Many a times Clarkson ends up cursing and saying "Damn thing wont let me shift when i want it to, im the driver i know when to shift i dont need the car to tell me this" and i think that sums it up pretty good. As a driver you want to be in control of what your doing, when to shift, REV matching at certain RPM's, when to downshift, things of this nature. Its difficult when the car simply wont let you because of all the electronic systems.

The counter argument is that this system is faster than the fastest human being on earth. So, if you really want to drive fast, then you get the paddles. If you want to have fun, stick with the stick.
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