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post #16 of 27
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Originally Posted by T4phage
btw... what THREE establishments?

Kiton & Caraceni by Campagna = MTM
Caraceni Roma & A.Caraceni Milan = Bespoke.

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Originally Posted by T4phage
No. Gianni Campagna bought the name, but the quality of the suits are nowhere as good as the Caraceni brothers in Rome or the 'true' Caraceni in Milan.

Domenico Caraceni by Campagna = 1
Caraceni in Rome = 2
Caraceni in Milan = 3
post #17 of 27
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Originally Posted by GMF
Domenico Caraceni by Campagna = 1
Caraceni in Rome = 2
Caraceni in Milan = 3
Ah, but if you are going to count the "Caraceni" names in Milan, there are tens or more tailors going under the "Caraceni" label, all claiming some sort of family link to the original.
post #18 of 27
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Originally Posted by GMF
Domenico Caraceni by Campagna = 1
Caraceni in Rome = 2
Caraceni in Milan = 3

The so called "word on the street" is that #2 and #3 are among the real great in Italian tailoring. They are larger shops (1000 or so suits a year), but make a fully handmade, fully bespoke product to the absolute highest standards. They are probably two of three or four of the well known, larger, highest quality shops in Italy (some smaller ones are likely as good or better, but smaller and less well known).

#1 is not supposed to be that great, but they are much more expensive if that is a plus for you.
post #19 of 27
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Originally Posted by T4phage
Ah, but if you are going to count the "Caraceni" names in Milan, there are tens or more tailors going under the "Caraceni" label, all claiming some sort of family link to the original.

I guess the same could be said for Gianni Campagna, too, since he claims to have learned his craft as an apprentice at Sartoria Domenico Caraceni in Milan.
post #20 of 27
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Originally Posted by iammatt
#1 is not supposed to be that great, but they are much more expensive if that is a plus for you.

But of course. A higher price always trumps better quality.
post #21 of 27
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Originally Posted by T4phage
Because I am usually in "Africa" more often!
This will get under the radar except for our most italian savvy readers...


!luc
post #22 of 27
If Campagna are fully bespoke, then they would be different from, say, Kiton. Perhaps they would have more handwork than Kiton. And of course would fit different being bespoke. It may be like comparing proscuiutto with parma ham--cf:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosciutto
post #23 of 27
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Originally Posted by kitonbrioni
If Campagna are fully bespoke, then they would be different from, say, Kiton.

This is what Campagna claims on his website and in that Forbes article. He doesn't do MTM. He has a RTW line (Sartoria Campagna) and he does full bespoke (Gianni Campagna). It's unclear from the website whether or not his Caraceni line is bespoke or not.

Of course, when it comes to Kiton, comparing his work to the K50 would be comparing apples to apples.
post #24 of 27
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Originally Posted by Luc-Emmanuel
This will get under the radar except for our most italian savvy readers...


!luc
Is he in Ethiopia?
post #25 of 27
Milan has A. Caracani and Ferdinando Caraceni. Rome has Tommy & Giulio Caraceni. Gianni Campagna has a line called Domenico Caraceni by Gianni Campagna.
A. Caraceni is more expensive than Tommy & Giulio, who start at 2800 Euro. Ferdinando Caraceni charges between $4000 and $5000.
Campagna is not as expensive as people generally assume based on what's been published in Forbes and Robb Report. His MTM starts under 1500 Euro. I recall his "bespoke" as starting around 3500 Euro. At the flagship store you'll see that Campagna is more of a brand. There are lots and lots of RTW items and accessories such as perfume and belts.
post #26 of 27
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Originally Posted by kitonbrioni
If Campagna are fully bespoke, then they would be different from, say, Kiton. Perhaps they would have more handwork than Kiton. And of course would fit different being bespoke. It may be like comparing proscuiutto with parma ham--cf:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosciutto

Not 100% true, the level of construction has nothing to do with being bespoke or not. Kiton RTW are constructed according to a stock pattern, bespoke is constructed to your pattern. Whosever pattern it is has no bearing on the level of worksmanship. However, you are correct bespoke will fit better; if it doesn't, fire the tailor.
post #27 of 27
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Originally Posted by T4phage View Post

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Originally Posted by Chris "Italia"
Would you say they are one of the best made suits in the world, better than Kiton?
No. Gianni Campagna bought the name, but the quality of the suits are nowhere as good as the Caraceni brothers in Rome or the 'true' Caraceni in Milan.

 

I was under the impression that Gianni Campagna started out and worked at the "true" Caraceni in Milan for almost a decade, so I would think that his work was comparable - no?

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