Disregarding others experiences is a cheap out. Even if their finger nails are clean. Some are willing to share their experiences. Doesn't mean you have to agree. But, don't question their honesty. Even though you started this thread (thank you) if you were truly sincere why take such objection to those with experience that differ with yours?
Maybe add a disclaimer " as policeman do not dare disagree with me. Your experiences are not worthy nor welcomed". Then some of us will get it and won't bother.
First you understand that "clean fingernails" is only a metaphor...for blowing smoke and hot air--un-informed, inexperienced, blather. It's childish...like teenagers with a rat in their gut, arguing for the sake of arguing. It's petulant. And it doesn't contribute anything except contentiousness.
But that's the whole point, isn't it?
If a person doesn't do the work, if they have little or no direct, hands on experience, they cannot know...know, really know...what they are talking about. It's all hearsay-- "The rep from AE told me this, so therefore it must be true." "The guy I've got working for me said such and such, so therefore it must be true." "I read it on the Internet, so therefore it must be true." "I visited a factory once, so therefore it must be true." "I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night so therefore whatever I say must be true."
It's not true...none of it is. It's as phony as it gets.
I do doubt the sincerity of people who don't explain...who only assert.
I claim that GY is a flawed technique that began with an attempt to make the job faster, easier, cheaper while at the same time looking and pretending to be handwelted. The first examples of GYW didn't appear any different than HW and in all probability the customer never knew it wasn't his grandfather's way of making shoes...and the companies didn't bother to enlighten the poor benighted sod.
That same set of circumstances pertains to this day. And consumers all over the world think GYW is the gold standard.
Is it trash?...that's for you to decide. I have never made that case...never used that word...that I can recall.
What I do and have done from the beginning...and no one else does--not you, not chogall, not anyone... is that I detail point by point why it is a flawed and relatively unstable technique relative to HW. I take the time to explain..starting with the history, proceeding to the components...analyzing each one for their reliability and integrity. I examine the techniques employed and the choices that are willingly made and forced upon the makers who use GY. I examine the philosophical and economic underpinnings of making such choices.
None of you do that. And none of you ever have. None of you self-styled keyboard warriors even come close. You couldn't if you tried. You can't be bothered, and you don't have the objective knowledge to do it.
Hell, you can't even read anyone elses posts, you're so desperate to nay-say and get into a "he said, she said." You have the attention spans of fidgety, cornered rats. None of you even bothers to address the fundamental details--the issues I raise in these posts--again, because you can't. It's all meaningless, incoherent, mealy-mouthed words strung together so that they look like they have meaning...kind of like GYW--pretense upon pretense.
I started this thread and one other to limit my remarks, so those who are uncomfortable with the detailed, explicit, inconvenient truth won't have to to confront it. Won't have to walk around with your eyes and ears covered singing lalalala loudly.
Outside of these few threads, I don't actively pursue the GY vs. HW issue. But I will respond.
Yet through all of this...with nothing else to pick at, and nothing to substantiate your POVs, with zero direct, objective experience of your own... and in the face of all that I offer / share (generously) in the way of detail and substantive, corroborating evidence, you all (the usual suspects--the gadflies and nitpickers and weasel-worders) dismiss my experience. You all doubt my sincerity. You all question my honesty...even to the point where you dismiss photos from, not just me but other sources. And feel insulted when you do not receive the respect that you will not extend to me.
It's like arguing with teenagers...or wrestling with pigs...everyone gets dirty but the pigs like it.
Everyone is born ignorant but when you choose to remain ignorant, diss curiousity--that is stupidity.
And when you posture and pretend to experience and knowledge that you don't have, that is dishonest and phony. You cannot lecture anyone about honesty. All you can do is whine and cavil and find fault in the way someone says something rather than the substance of it.
And if such baseless, substance-less, petulant, pretentious blather goes wanting for someone "to bother", I say "Good! Don't let the door hit you on the butt."
Edited by DWFII - 2/4/16 at 7:50am