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post #136 of 799
Worst. Decision. Ever
post #137 of 799
Has anyone handled the Made in China down vest in person? It's my favorite piece of the season and I'm strongly considering buying it, but if quality is not up to par then I may have to pass.

post #138 of 799
Yeah, we have one in store, it is just as good as any other W+H pieces in the past. As somebody already said, the chambray parka last season was the first piece that was produced outside of Canada. The archive line is still made in Canada, and a lot of the pieces in the research line are now being produced in Japan, so I don't think that the brand is going to go to shit any time soon, just branch out and do things differently than they have in the past. Also, +1 to Meis' comments. For example, Garbstore in the UK is proud to manufacture in China, since they have sought out a really good place for production. The archival line t-shirts dropped significantly in price, and as far as I can tell they are almost the same as last season albeit with a couple of detail changes. It seems like they are trying to separate the two lines and offer their basics for a really good price, and continue to innovate with the research line(such as the ventile suit last season.)
post #139 of 799
This isn't about quality, not yet anyway. This is about the brand. Only a few pieces are being produced in China, I'm more concerned that the bulk of this season has been outsourced. I have no qualms with the quality/ethics of pieces being made in Japan, I take issue because Wings & Horns style, design, and production is rooted in B.C. Canada. They became successful with this model, why outsource? Not sure why people are feeling the need to defend Chinese labor. Should everything be produced there? I don't think anyone is saying anything made in China is shit, and I'm pretty confident that the W&H offerings are good evidence to the contrary. There are other reasons not to support things that are produced there. Those reasons may be largely based on emotion, but so are decisions to purchase $200 flannels and $500 "fashion" jackets.
post #140 of 799
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Originally Posted by roundheadlights View Post
This isn't about quality, not yet anyway. This is about the brand. Only a few pieces are being produced in China, I'm more concerned that the bulk of this season has been outsourced. I have no qualms with the quality/ethics of pieces being made in Japan, I take issue because Wings & Horns style, design, and production is rooted in B.C. Canada. They became successful with this model, why outsource?

Not sure why people are feeling the need to defend Chinese labor. Should everything be produced there? I don't think anyone is saying anything made in China is shit, and I'm pretty confident that the W&H offerings are good evidence to the contrary. There are other reasons not to support things that are produced there. Those reasons may be largely based on emotion, but so are decisions to purchase $200 flannels and $500 "fashion" jackets.

I can see where you're coming from, personally I don't mind the changes, but I can see why it would bother some people. I'm all for some made in Canada and some made in Japan pieces, and to be honest I'm not excited by the change to made in China for certain pieces, but it wouldn't dissuade me from purchasing any of them. My Garbstore chinos are some of the best constructed pants I've ever owned, and they are made in China. Another Canadian brand that went this route is Arc'Teryx, and although they were purchased by an Adidas holding(and subsequently sold in 05) and began to outsource to China, they still produce the same high quality goods as they always have.
post #141 of 799
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Originally Posted by aaaeeeiiiooouuu View Post
I said the brand was going to shit. Never mentioned quality. Although I wouldn't be surprised if a drop in quality soon follows this move.

We all know country-of-origin as Canada is an important part of W+H's identity. Don't pretend that country-of-origin is negligible for this brand. W+H decided to move some of their operations to fucking China - probably b/c costs were getting out of hand - and that's a desperate move for a brand whose identity is deeply rooted in Canadiana.

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"Made in Supernatural BC" vs. "Made in Supercontaminated CN"

I was going to bring this up with Craig when I spoke with him earlier in the spring, but I didn't have my hard-hitting reporter's hat on, and I was visiting their headquarters as a friend, so I didn't bother. It should be noted that no one has criticized their denim, which has been made in Japan for years, (though I've heard that production might be brought home,) so it's clearly the negative implications of "Made in China" that is the root of the problem, not that goods are not "Made in Canada." Wings+Horns is not a company like, for example, Engineered Garments or Yuketen, for whom the "Made in America" tag is an indelible part of the brand identity.

Ultimately, I think that it probably came down to costs and the difficulty in finding adequate production facilities at home. It's not easy for a smaller company to bring in a down jacket with that amount of detailing in at under $500 retail or a cashmere sweater for under $300. I think that going to some Chinese manufacture is a pretty understandable for a company moving beyond its core strengths to try to put out a full line.

FWIW, I saw a lot of the samples (not the production pieces yet) earlier this year, and I thought that they were really nice, particularly the cashmere sweatshirt style sweater, which I will be getting.
post #142 of 799
Has anyone been to Blake in Chicago recently? Apparently they're stocking W+H this season: http://www.wingsandhorns.com/retailers/
post #143 of 799
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post
Ultimately, I think that it probably came down to costs and the difficulty in finding adequate production facilities at home. It's not easy for a smaller company to bring in a down jacket with that amount of detailing in at under $800 retail or a cashmere sweater for under $300. I think that going to some Chinese manufacture is a pretty understandable for a company moving beyond its core strengths to try to put out a full line.
Well, I think the jacket looks even better irl, and I was one of the first to mention this back a few pages in this thread, and ultimately I really dont care where its made, I'm getting one for myself, I just think its a bit predictable, sad and ironic for such a proudly Canadian company to pull the mic move once its well established in its niche market. Obviously qc is what separates poor levels of manufacturing from decent, good or excellent levels, and this can be had anywhere in the world including china, I guess its just easier to stomach the $800 retail price knowing it was made somewhere in the world where labor rates arent soo cheap, but in the end I'll keep supporting the brand.
post #144 of 799
The quality is still amazing! Nobody should judge it until they've seen it. I try not to carry anything made in China at Stel's for ethical reasons. That said, sometimes, for instance, with a brand like Wings &Horns, which is extremely high quality, I make an exception. If quality is really your issue, i would be more concerned with companies who outsource their work to many different countries and factories. That's where brands lose control of the quality. Going to China and finding a factory where products can be well made and monitored is what Wings & Horns has done. they still have control over how it's being produced.
post #145 of 799
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Originally Posted by Stagger Lee View Post
i would be more concerned with companies who outsource their work to many different countries and factories. That's where brands lose control of the quality
I am not going to judge the quality of clothes I haven't seen in person, but W+H is now made in 4 different countries - what constitutes "many" by your reckoning?
post #146 of 799
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Originally Posted by AR_Six View Post
I am not going to judge the quality of clothes I haven't seen in person, but W+H is now made in 4 different countries - what constitutes "many" by your reckoning?

Which is the fourth? Canada, Japan, China I know about.
post #147 of 799
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Originally Posted by e0d9n0b5 View Post
Which is the fourth? Canada, Japan, China I know about.
Sneaks are made in Italy in CP factory, aren't they?
post #148 of 799
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Sneaks are made in Italy in CP factory, aren't they?

Yeah you are correct, I forgot about that.
post #149 of 799
I will take pictures and post impressions of my down vest when it arrives...should be sometime this week.
post #150 of 799
Anyone want to advise as to the inseam length on this season's West Point chinos? I'm looking at sizes 31 and 32. I've looked at the previous season's measurements but have read that this season's chinos have a longer inseam. Apologies if this is already in the thread; did a search and didn't find anything. Other than inseam, are the other measurements more or less the same? TIA
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