Originally Posted by Gradstudent78
There are no secret deadly martial art techniques, that is true. However, training in hsing-I, ba gua, and Tai chi can offer fighting skills if that training is based on learning the sound mechanics of those arts, with realistic training methods, and combined with conditioning. If you approach any art thinking that you can get realistic fighting applications without putting the proper time and effort into it your misleading yourself. That is as true for muay thai as it is for any of the internal martial arts. However, the problem is that many more people tend to approach the internal arts thinking they don't have to put the same amount of effort that people who train in muy thai do because the internal arts offer some type of "secret techniques", which just isn't true. The problem isn't with the internal arts, its with the majority of people teaching and training in them.
right, i totally agree.
but what i'm also saying is that if you add realistic sparring, realistic conditioning, realistic techniques to internal styles you will get further and further away from the internal art and what you are left with is something that resembles grappling or boxing.
there are traditional chinese wrestling styles (and many in india) that train realistically and condition realistically. guess what? they are identical to freestyle or greco-roman wrestling. they have naturally developed the same techniques (sprawl, duck-unders, single-legs, double-legs, fireman carry, pummeling, trips, ankle-picks, hip-heists, bridgeing, etc...). they don't have any internal power blows, they don't have any special pressure point attacks, etc.--all they have are physical (external) techniques that work. how could styles that developed thousands of miles apart look exactly the same? because, when you train realistically, eventually, humans will find the most efficient way of combat.
the problem starts, to paraphrase matt thornton, when you start adding rituals. you add seniority levels, you add special drills to develop special skills that don't have anything to do with combat. you add mystery and mystique and sacredness and special terms and special bowing and special katas and so on... now you have a system that might have worked before, but doesn't work anymore.
because almost all traditional chinese martial arts that are taught in america do not train realistically, they develop techniques that do not work in real life (i'm sure there are some that do train realistically, but they are few and far between). sure, they will have many demonstrations of how strong the art is, but they won't have the most important demonstration, which is in actual combat with a completely resisting opponent.
you could take taebo or boxercise or even pilates, and if you add realistic sparring, technique and conditioning, you will have an effective martial art. but it wouldn't be taebo anymore because it would resemble muay thai or boxing. so, why don't you just do muay thai, bjj, judo, or boxing in the first place?