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post #31 of 239
7/7/10 at 12:05pm
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The prized light colour of veal is caused by anemie which is caused by under feeding the calves.
Not exactly.
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post #32 of 239
7/7/10 at 12:09pm
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Not exactly.

How exactly then? It's specific under feeding, i.e. the ingredient 'iron' is left out.

http://www.straussbrands.com/groupraised/whatcolor.html
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post #33 of 239
7/7/10 at 12:12pm
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How exactly then? It's specific under feeding, i.e. the ingredient 'iron' is left out.

http://www.straussbrands.com/groupraised/whatcolor.html
Well, yeah. It is controlling the sort of food they get. They don't want them underfed, because they need them to get kind of big. Remember, Strauss is a competitor to "white" veal, and they are trying to push people to the "natural fed veal" where they are dominant, so "hard questions - honest answers" may not be that. BTW, their natural fed veal looks nothing like those pictures, and good milk fed veal is nothing like that pallid gray they show. It's advertising...
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post #34 of 239
7/7/10 at 12:18pm
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Well, yeah. It is controlling the sort of food they get. They don't want them underfed, because they need them to get kind of big. Remember, Strauss is a competitor to "white" veal, and they are trying to push people to the "natural fed veal" where they are dominant, so "hard questions - honest answers" may not be that. BTW, their natural fed veal looks nothing like those pictures, and good milk fed veal is nothing like that pallid gray they show. It's advertising...

It was just the first link I found describing the process, sort of, a process I (and you apparently) already heard off. It had nice pictures and everything. About your third sentense, I thought that went without saying, but I could've been more specific.
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post #35 of 239
7/7/10 at 12:42pm
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the facility was closed down as a result of this investigation - hence, regulations dictate this type of treatment is inhumane and not allowed by the USDA - do exceptions exist? yes. Can all of them be stopped? no. That does not mean farms that treat animals humanely are a fairytale.

If you choose to be a vegetarian because of your consideration for animals - that's fine. As humans, we have free will, and can make choices based on our own personal conscience. THat we have agreed to some social norms and have derived a collective baseline conscience is somewhat useful in many cases, but it is (by definition) limiting to individual liberty and should therefore be met with some level of fear and caution; i.e. I respect your decision, you should respect mine.

Did you watch the whole video? The inspector was not going to mention what he saw, this facility would be open if it were not for the undercover investigation. It is not just a few exceptions, not many people know what goes on in these facilities, animal cruelty and inhumane acts are common. Almost every undercover investigation reveals it, most recently the cow brutality at the Conklin Farm last month.

It is your decision, but being a vegetarian does not stop these things from happening, that's why further action is taken.

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If you look at the rest of nature, and the way that many animals hunt and kill their prey, you will see plenty of "inhumane" acts... many of them making modern agriculture look quite nice.

But here's the thing, they must do it to survive. They do not have the intelligence like we do to make a clear decision, we have alternatives, they don't. We should be utilizing our intelligence to enhance goodness for all animals, including humans. I'd hope that humans would not justify our actions based on the acts of wild animals.
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post #36 of 239
7/7/10 at 12:47pm
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Did you watch the whole video? The inspector was not going to mention what he saw, this facility would be open if it were not for the undercover investigation. It is not just a few exceptions, not many people know what goes on in these facilities, animal cruelty and inhumane acts are common. Almost every undercover investigation reveals it, most recently the cow brutality at the Conklin Farm last month.

It is your decision, but being a vegetarian does not stop these things from happening, that's why further action is taken.



But here's the thing, they must do it to survive. They do not have the intelligence like we do to make a clear decision, we have alternatives, they don't. We should be utilizing our intelligence to enhance goodness for all animals, including humans. I'd hope that humans would not justify our actions based on the acts of wild animals.
Veal tastes great, man.
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post #37 of 239
7/7/10 at 12:53pm
I like to torture small animals.
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post #38 of 239
7/7/10 at 12:53pm
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Veal tastes great, man.

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post #39 of 239
7/7/10 at 12:55pm
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It is your decision, but being a vegetarian does not stop these things from happening, that's why further action is taken. But here's the thing, they must do it to survive. They do not have the intelligence like we do to make a clear decision, we have alternatives, they don't. We should be utilizing our intelligence to enhance goodness for all animals, including humans. I'd hope that humans would not justify our actions based on the acts of wild animals.
This is a pointless argument, so I will stop after this post - but you seem to have missed my point about free will being inextricably tied to your personal conscience. Plants are living beings too - where do you draw the line? Most bivalves have about as much cognitive reasoning as a plant, but vegans / vegetarians don't eat them. I don't personally see the logic there - maybe you should not kill plants either. Have you seen the machines that harvest corn? Brutal. It's a very slippery slope to impose a collective conscience - it will likely bite everyone in the ass later in some way or another. FWIW - we did depend on animals for survival for a good part of our anthropological past. That we can build tools and outsmart them is really no different that the fact that other animals at the top of the food chain are bigger, faster, stronger, have sharper teeth, claws, etc.
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post #40 of 239
7/7/10 at 12:56pm
How do you guys cook your veal chops? I've never had great success with them.
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post #41 of 239
7/7/10 at 12:56pm
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But here's the thing, they must do it to survive. They do not have the intelligence like we do to make a clear decision, we have alternatives, they don't.

I can assure you there are millions upon millions of people who do NOT have alternatives or the luxury of being able to pick and choose which specifics foods and vegetables they want to eat for every single meal.
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post #42 of 239
7/7/10 at 12:58pm
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How do you guys cook your veal chops? I've never had great success with them.
I do the old Morton's recipe - Flour. egg wash. mixture of bread crumbs w/ a little parmigianno reggiano. Pan saute for about a minute and a half to brown each side, then into the oven at 375 or 400 for about 12-17 minutes, depending on the thickness of the chops.
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post #43 of 239
7/7/10 at 12:59pm
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How do you guys cook your veal chops? I've never had great success with them.
Buy thick (like 4 cm) chops and cook them slowly. You can use just about any technique (not boiling ob,) but the idea with veal is that you want it the same doneness just about all the way through, so you don't want to sear the outside over really high heat. Also, make sure you let it rest enough.
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post #44 of 239
7/7/10 at 1:08pm
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Buy thick (like 4 cm) chops and cook them slowly. You can use just about any technique (not boiling ob,) but the idea with veal is that you want it the same doneness just about all the way through, so you don't want to sear the outside over really high heat. Also, make sure you let it rest enough.

Thank you. I think I have been cooking them too hot. Will try this if I can get some decent chops.

Edit: Also thank you to ChicagoRon.
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post #45 of 239
7/7/10 at 1:15pm
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Plants are living beings too - where do you draw the line? Most bivalves have about as much cognitive reasoning as a plant, but vegans / vegetarians don't eat them. I don't personally see the logic there - maybe you should not kill plants either. Have you seen the machines that harvest corn? Brutal. It's a very slippery slope to impose a collective conscience - it will likely bite everyone in the ass later in some way or another. FWIW - we did depend on animals for survival for a good part of our anthropological past. That we can build tools and outsmart them is really no different that the fact that other animals at the top of the food chain are bigger, faster, stronger, have sharper teeth, claws, etc.
Again, I know animals were once needed for survival, but that does not justify the continuation of animal slaughter. Plants are needed to survive. Veganism is not "don't kill anything that lives", not all life forms are equivalent. I don't know the logic of what you mentioned either, but I'm not a vegan. What I do know is that humans, as a mammalian animal species, cannot say that it is unacceptable to kill someone but acceptable to kill any other animal species. That is illogical.
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