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post #1696 of 2469
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Originally Posted by VRaivio View Post

I really wonder how long that mystery stash of antique reindeer hides will last. I wager one hide is enough for three or two pairs. Does anyone have a link to the old articles with a mention of hide count?

last article I read, I think dated late 90's/early 2000's, mentioned that the supply was dwindling. Way before I came on SF, I was on the watchforums and reindeer hide Panerai straps were all the rage. You can also find all sorts of small leather goods made on the hide all over the internet. So conservatively, the hides have been sold for the least 10-15 years. As I said before, the ship must have been the size of the Titanic to hold so much leather rolleyes.gif
post #1697 of 2469
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

last article I read, I think dated late 90's/early 2000's, mentioned that the supply was dwindling. Way before I came on SF, I was on the watchforums and reindeer hide Panerai straps were all the rage. You can also find all sorts of small leather goods made on the hide all over the internet. So conservatively, the hides have been sold for the least 10-15 years. As I said before, the ship must have been the size of the Titanic to hold so much leather rolleyes.gif

When there is a strong demand (and those willing to pay a premium price), supply can become infinite (with the miracle of modern marketing).
post #1698 of 2469
its all a big conspiracy isnt it ?

although a few makers (shoes, bags etc) have been telling me that prices for the russian calf have been going up the last 2 years, and it really is running out now.

at the end of the day, the leather itself is nothing great. more the story than anything else. looks a bit like lizard actually. its heavy yet fragile and needs constant care.
post #1699 of 2469

I think we might be mixing some apples and oranges here: The limited supply that Cleverley has, is based on a few hundred bales of the hides that were pulled up from the seabed after hundreds of years.  I doubt much more will be found, but I believe some are still being traded, having been bought as a novelty investment.  At least that's what I understand.  How much Cleverley have left is I'm sure their own little secret, but I suspect they got a bargain clearance price when the stuff first arrived as it was an unusual and unknown product, and having decided they could use it, bought a hell of a lot - maybe even cheaper than regular cow hides because nobody knew if these smelly, salty skins would be usable or not.

 

But Russian bark-cured reindeer hide is indeed in a theoretically limitless supply, as it's still produced.  Not every bark-cured reindeer watch strap or shoe is made from that little treasure in the Cleverley collection.  But hundreds of tonnes of reindeer hide, cured in a variety of ways, are produced every year in Russia, Finland etc, and made into luggage, shoes and other stuff in any country that wants to make them.

post #1700 of 2469
The way I understand the situation from George Glasgow at Cleverley is that it isn't so much the stock but the condition and the ability to keep diving for it. Only some of the hides are usable for shoes and the diving rights belong to the Duke of Cornwall, who may or may not permit continued expeditions to retrieve more.
post #1701 of 2469
Maybe someone from The Rake could dig this reindeer story deeper, I catch a small whiff of scoop. Then again, The Rake has never been critical of anything. The story would effect just a small, but well-heeled crowd of men.
post #1702 of 2469

We need to see more exotic hides from endangered species like Isshy vintage sea turtle shoes...

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Second pair from Ed et al. Caramel suede butterfly loafers with contrast welt stitching.
post #1704 of 2469
The Rake did an article some time back on the Russian reindeer saga.

Apparently the divers that are licensed to go down have retired or are retiring. For the last few years Clev has been lining the Russian shoes with calf instead of Russian reindeer as in the old days, indicating a dwindling supply. I specifically requested they line mine with the good stuff, and they did.

George Jr told me the hides would be running out in a year or two. Might be salesman talk though. In any case, I have no further lust for it now that the cherry has been popped.
post #1705 of 2469
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Originally Posted by chogall View Post

We need to see more exotic hides from endangered species like Isshy vintage sea turtle shoes...

Custom made sealskin plaintoes. Made in Switzerland circa 1930's or 1940's. Not really endangered, but pretty rare and for damned sure politically INcorrect!

exotics1.jpg

I've got better pics and will put them up soon.
post #1706 of 2469
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Originally Posted by ~ B ~ View Post

The Rake did an article some time back on the Russian reindeer sage.

Apparently the divers that are licensed to go down have retired or are retiring. For the last few years Clev has been lining the Russian shoes with calf instead of Russian reindeer as in the old days. I specifically requested they line mine with the good stuff, and they did.

Again, if you go back far enough, you hear stories about how its almost running out, can't dive for it etc. But keep in mind that Cleverly started buying this stuff in 1986. 27 years ago. When you consider that alot, if not most, of the leather on the ship was unusable, how much of this stuff was on the ship? Something tells me, that 20 years from today, you'll still be able to buy/commission products from metta catherina reindeer leather.
post #1707 of 2469
Oh I have no doubt there is some cloak and daggers involved. Someone really should do a carbon dating or DNA test on the skins to test their real age. Would be great for a documentary.
post #1708 of 2469
Anyone able to explain to me what the appeal of shoes made of reindeer leather from a sunken ship is all about?
Is today's reindeer leather not of equal quality or are you not allowed to hunt/breed reindeers for their hide anymore?
post #1709 of 2469

^pretyt much historical value and mysticism behind it; besides from those who have it the general perception seems that it is a bitch to take good care of.

post #1710 of 2469
Louis XIV, it's the smell. So I've read. The hides have a unique, interesting smell.

Isshi, I'm sure you can make up a smaller logo for VSA's website. I used to save your most interesting shoe pics for reference, now I've stopped because of the huge logos. Something discreet would serve better.
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