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post #121 of 147
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Here's the only reference I could find to "bed lasting."



Could you explain what "bed lasting" is and why it is superior?

Mr. Pink:

Here is a video which shows the EG method of manufacture (I believe it is identifical to AS) and I think it will answer all your questions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_0hczSirzY
post #122 of 147
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Originally Posted by Col.Sanders View Post
I would really like to buy Sargents but as the company is curently up for sale I am really concerned! Is it worth a gamble??

I'm not usually drawn into these ridiculous conversations about AS, but I have to ask about the concerns that you have with any orders with AS?

I guess that you're aware that you do not have to pay AS until you have your shoes ready?

But, I'm sure you already have spoken to them about that!!

It appears to me that you've nothing better to do than to scaremonger!! As such, there's no possible value that you can add to this thread, or forum.

Clint
post #123 of 147
I have to second what Clint said above. I wore my shoes for about 6 months before I actually paid for them. Their main concern was that I was thoroughly pleased with them. Now that's customer service!
post #124 of 147
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I have to second what Clint said above. I wore my shoes for about 6 months before I actually paid for them. Their main concern was that I was thoroughly pleased with them. Now that's customer service!

This is kind of hard to buy but if this is true than hats off to AS.
post #125 of 147
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This is kind of hard to buy but if this is true than hats off to AS.

I can verify that this is the case.
post #126 of 147
Yup. Chay Cooper is THE man.
post #127 of 147
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Yup. Chay Cooper is THE man.

unbelievable - but amazing.
post #128 of 147
I think AS tries to treat customers like gentleman - an honour system that's quite flattering, and rather trusting.
post #129 of 147
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I guess that you're aware that you do not have to pay AS until you have your shoes ready?

Clint

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Originally Posted by NORE View Post
I have to second what Clint said above. I wore my shoes for about 6 months before I actually paid for them. Their main concern was that I was thoroughly pleased with them. Now that's customer service!

This is quite possibly a new policy. It wasn't so previously. I am also concerned that, if this practice is not standard for all, then perhaps such information should not be shared openly in a forum as it would be detrimental to AS and any future changes in policy away from this.

That said, I spoke to Chay just before Christmas and he has stressed to me that the development of the handgrades/ MTO means the world to him and the guys involved and he welcomes all feedback.

As enticing as it is to try a pair for 6 months before paying, this just doesn't sit well with me. I prefer to make the full payment upfront or just before they ship. Personally, if I had already used an item of clothing for 6 months, I would be quite pissed to have to pay for them at all!
post #130 of 147
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Originally Posted by upnorth View Post
This is quite possibly a new policy. It wasn't so previously. I am also concerned that, if this practice is not standard for all, then perhaps such information should not be shared openly in a forum as it would be detrimental to AS and any future changes in policy away from this.

That said, I spoke to Chay just before Christmas and he has stressed to me that the development of the handgrades/ MTO means the world to him and the guys involved and he welcomes all feedback.

As enticing as it is to try a pair for 6 months before paying, this just doesn't sit well with me. I prefer to make the full payment upfront or just before they ship. Personally, if I had already used an item of clothing for 6 months, I would be quite pissed to have to pay for them at all!

The reason this was mentioned was to highlight the fact that as far as AS customer service is concerned, customer satisfaction is of primary concern. Of course they are a company, not a charity. Obviously, you will have to pay for goods you order. But to suggest this was stated as some sort of co-sign to unscrupulous behavior is just ungentlemanly.
post #131 of 147
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Originally Posted by NORE View Post
The reason this was mentioned was to highlight the fact that as far as AS customer service is concerned, customer satisfaction is of primary concern. Of course they are a company, not a charity. Obviously, you will have to pay for goods you order. But to suggest this was stated as some sort of co-sign to unscrupulous behavior is just ungentlemanly.
I'm sorry my reply made you think the way you did. My point is that it is human nature to be thrilled by a new purchase but the novelty does wear out and for any business that extends credit, it becomes a challenge to have to chase after unpaid transactions. I did not intend for it to mean anything about your character. I have also further clarified that this is not their standard practice but your point about them bending over backwards for their customer is well taken.
post #132 of 147
Vass and AS in the same phrase? Heavens to Murgatroyd! What is happening to this world.
post #133 of 147
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Vass and AS in the same phrase? Heavens to Murgatroyd! What is happening to this world.

thanks for the chuckle.

what's next? paprika and AS, just curious?
post #134 of 147
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Vass and AS in the same phrase? Heavens to Murgatroyd! What is happening to this world.

Why not? I know English makers strive to better one other. They don''t work in a vacuum. Maybe the standards set by Vass too drive AS to the dizzy heights.
post #135 of 147
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Originally Posted by fritzl View Post
i prefer the definitely nicer interior of the VASS. the AS seems not even close to the VA9SS. fwiw, it looks primitive and rugged.

From what I can see from the pictures, the VASS uses a full insock lining, while the AS uses a half lining. It would be very easy to cover everything up with a full insock lining, rather than using a half and show off the real leather insole.

FWIW, IMHO the AS seems to have a better method of construction or pattern making, as the seams joining the quarter linings to the vamp linings on the VASS is visible while the AS has no visible joints, at least in the context of the picture.

Just in case, I am not insinuating that VASS is not using leather insoles, just that its easier to cover up any imperfections with a full sock lining, rather to trying to keep the insoles beautiful enough to show off.
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