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post #121 of 203
You guys aren't getting it. If everyone stopped eating meat, as you want, right now, there would be a massive amount of cattle in the US alone sitting around, we're not talking about "well if we didn't start this trend years ago then the cattle wouldn't have been bred" and we're not talking about "well if we stop then the cattle won't be bred," there are cattle in existence right now that are producing lots of greenhouse emissions and generally fucking up the world, if we stop eating them then they win and kill us all. The only way to prevent this while achieving your vegetarian goals would be to kill them pointlessly Oh, and vegetarianism goes against God, thou shalt be smitten.
post #122 of 203
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Originally Posted by KitAkira View Post
The only way to prevent this while achieving your vegetarian goals would be to kill them pointlessly

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post #123 of 203
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Edited by Nosu3 - 12/3/11 at 10:07am
post #124 of 203
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Originally Posted by Nosu3 View Post
It is said that jesus was a vegetarian though.

Where?
post #125 of 203
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Originally Posted by KitAkira View Post
You guys aren't getting it. If everyone stopped eating meat, as you want, right now, there would be a massive amount of cattle in the US alone sitting around,

There are a massive amount of cattle in the US sitting around right now. Your solution of eating them doesn't seem to be working.

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there are cattle in existence right now that are producing lots of greenhouse emissions and generally fucking up the world,

Yes, exactly. Eating them does not solve this problem, because for every one eaten another one is raised to meet demand. It's quite easy to see that as the demand for beef increases, the number of cattle fouling the world increases.

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if we stop eating them then they win and kill us all.

If we stop eating them, then they'll be dead shortly, and no more will be raised to take their place - problem solved.

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The only way to prevent this while achieving your vegetarian goals would be to kill them pointlessly

If, as you say, they are fucking up the world, then their inevitable end is to be killed pointlessly along with the rest of us. You'll have to forgive me for being selfish and desiring their pointless death before they kill every living thing on the planet.
post #126 of 203
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Edited by Nosu3 - 12/3/11 at 10:07am
post #127 of 203
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There are a massive amount of cattle in the US sitting around right now. Your solution of eating them doesn't seem to be working. Yes, exactly. Eating them does not solve this problem, because for every one eaten another one is raised to meet demand. It's quite easy to see that as the demand for beef increases, the number of cattle fouling the world increases. If we stop eating them, then they'll be dead shortly, and no more will be raised to take their place - problem solved. If, as you say, they are fucking up the world, then their inevitable end is to be killed pointlessly along with the rest of us. You'll have to forgive me for being selfish and desiring their pointless death before they kill every living thing on the planet.
That isn't my solution, I don't care nor wish to change anything, the vegetarians are the ones that wish to change it all And if by "dead shortly" you mean "dead in 20 years" then I suppose you're right
post #128 of 203
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Originally Posted by Nosu3 View Post
http://www.compassionatespirit.com/w...vegetarian.htm
www.jesusveg.com

There are plenty of verses in the bible that suggest vegetarianism and kindness to animals.

From a creationist view,
Why would god make humans part of the animal kingdom if killing animals was ok?
If animals were created for humans, why do some exist in inaccessible areas?
Why would god make them able to feel pain and suffer?
Why do people have a natural compassion for animals if they are to be killed?

I can't answer these though since it doesn't relate to me.

but why did Christ feed five thousand people with bread and fish, instead of bread and tofu chips?
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Edited by Nosu3 - 12/3/11 at 10:07am
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Who gives a fuck what the main character of a fairy tale ate?
post #131 of 203
I don't want to directly interject myself; I just thought I'd offer the contribution of the Creation Museum in Kentucky:


post #132 of 203
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Originally Posted by Nosu3 View Post
http://www.compassionatespirit.com/w...vegetarian.htm
www.jesusveg.com

There are plenty of verses in the bible that suggest vegetarianism and kindness to animals.

From a creationist view,
Why would god make humans part of the animal kingdom if killing animals was ok?
If animals were created for humans, why do some exist in inaccessible areas?
Why would god make them able to feel pain and suffer?
Why do people have a natural compassion for animals if they are to be killed?

I can't answer these though since it doesn't relate to me.

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Originally Posted by Nosu3 View Post
The explanation is that the translation was wrong. By fish, it is meant to be "fish weed" which is some type of seaweed. Fishweed and bread were commonly eaten in combination during that time.

There is really nothing in the Bible that condones vegetarianism. Here is what the Bible says:

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1 Timothy 4:1-3
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils ... commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

If you want to bring up Jesus and the Bible, it CLEARLY states that you should receive it in thanksgiving. It also says/predicts that in "latter times" people like you would condone abstaining from meats. It also says these type of people (vegetarians and people who command to abstain from meats) are evil, seduced by spiris and departed from faith. That is not my view, but God's view

The Bible also says the following:

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Romans 14:1 NIV

1Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. 2One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not

God (not me) clearly states that people like you have weak faith. He also goes on to tell people like us (people who eat everything), not to look down on people like you

Not that this is my belief, but you brought up the Bible stuff, so thought I should bring this up
post #133 of 203
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Originally Posted by Dragon View Post
There is really nothing in the Bible that condones vegetarianism. Here is what the Bible says:



If you want to bring up Jesus and the Bible, it CLEARLY states that you should receive it in thanksgiving. It also says/predicts that in "latter times" people like you would condone abstaining from meats. It also says these type of people (vegetarians and people who command to abstain from meats) are evil, seduced by spiris and departed from faith. That is not my view, but God's view

The Bible also says the following:



God (not me) clearly states that people like you have weak faith. He also goes on to tell people like us (people who eat everything), not to look down on people like you

Not that this is my belief, but you brought up the Bible stuff, so thought I should bring this up

awesome!
post #134 of 203
Curious that you would use the KJV for one quotation but the NIV for another, when the NIV of the former is translated as:

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" 1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth."

No mention of meat, per se.
post #135 of 203
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Originally Posted by samus View Post
Curious that you would use the KJV for one quotation but the NIV for another, when the NIV of the former is translated as:



No mention of meat, per se.

No manipulation on my part. I just quoted snippets from a quick search. In the NIV version you quoted, God still says "certain foods." (whale is a certain food).
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