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post #811 of 915
you could make it similar to paperbackswap. there, you post up books. once someone chooses one of your books (ties), you get a credit to choose someone elses book (tie). If you post up 6 and people choose 4 of them, you have 4 "credits" to get other peoples ties (assuming you like something).

accounting for the credits could be an issue though.
post #812 of 915
I don't care either way on this but I"m bored and started thinking about this.

Stuff like this is going to be as succesful as the participants are honest. Setting aside my contribution, when someone gets the box and it has ties X, Y and Z which are popular brands that sell for three figures and then you put in two Geoffrey Beane/Jerry Garcia/stuff from ebay lost and found, what do you think the next guy is going to do when he gets that box? It just takes one guy to compromise the integrity of the box and then its all for shit. If you know the people participating are putting in relatively good stuff, and we all knew that was the expectation here, and you don't have something equal to contribute, don't participate. There are many nice, inexpensive tie deals on B&S and often people put up stuff for free to go to those "in need". You can't use something like this to hook yourself up. I have not been following this thread very closely but it seems like at least half the people will be getting shit ties, WTF? And contactme, can you enlighten me on the side deals you did in relation to this process? If people are going to be cutting side deals to buy stuff that was going to go into the box, thats bulshit too. The seller and the buyer in that case are trifiling. I sincerely hope that none of my 5 ties were sold here, as I could do that myself, and I would think that Kent Wang would feel the same way. The point of this thing was to "pay it forward", not shit on who comes after you. I am definitely not participating in something like this again, would much rather just give something away directly to people who seemingly need it.
post #813 of 915
I really didn't want to participate in this whine-fest but its just really frustrating to listen to all of you and see how this has degraded.

In TieSwapBox #2 the consensus seems to be that the ties are sub-par for peoples expectations. Thats a shame.

That is apparently not the case with TSB #1. I have not heard anyone really complaining about the box contents. Nore didn't take any ties, but had the decency to conclude that there was nothing that fit his aesthetic and pass it along. I took one of Ed's great ties (cant say thank you Enought Ed). When I sent the box to Spoo I looked trhough my choices of ties and picked something of good quality that I thought was interesting and that he would enjoy (I had the luxury of seeing hundreds of posts showing his tastes). I think he enjoyed it and took it. I also put in an Etro tie that was wool/cashmere blend but a bit on the narrow side. It's not my best tie but I thought that someone might enjoy it down the road. People should have that mindset when they put in at least 1 tie - "would the next guy who gets this be excited to receive this tie"? If you want to put in a few more of lesser quality to add to the contents then so be it, but we all know what would be appreciated and what is shit that no one will wear.

Now I understand that the box has now been sent to WRAdvisor who has disappeared. Has the sender confirmed delivery? Presumably, WRAdvisor is a longstanding member who has succesfully participated in swap boxes like this. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt for a while and not freak out about ties.

With respect to side-deals - its wrong and really rude to be doing them. Ties shown here are meant for the box. Don't attempt to jump the line because you "need" a certain tie.
post #814 of 915
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

I don't care either way on this but I"m bored and started thinking about this.
Stuff like this is going to be as succesful as the participants are honest. Setting aside my contribution, when someone gets the box and it has ties X, Y and Z which are popular brands that sell for three figures and then you put in two Geoffrey Beane/Jerry Garcia/stuff from ebay lost and found, what do you think the next guy is going to do when he gets that box? It just takes one guy to compromise the integrity of the box and then its all for shit. If you know the people participating are putting in relatively good stuff, and we all knew that was the expectation here, and you don't have something equal to contribute, don't participate. There are many nice, inexpensive tie deals on B&S and often people put up stuff for free to go to those "in need". You can't use something like this to hook yourself up. I have not been following this thread very closely but it seems like at least half the people will be getting shit ties, WTF? And contactme, can you enlighten me on the side deals you did in relation to this process? If people are going to be cutting side deals to buy stuff that was going to go into the box, thats bulshit too. The seller and the buyer in that case are trifiling. I sincerely hope that none of my 5 ties were sold here, as I could do that myself, and I would think that Kent Wang would feel the same way. The point of this thing was to "pay it forward", not shit on who comes after you. I am definitely not participating in something like this again, would much rather just give something away directly to people who seemingly need it.

Agreed. I'd like to think that the purpose wasn't to add to the box ties that were necessarily no longer wanted. It was to take an awesome tie and replace it with an awesome tie or two. The ties that I will be donating are players in my rotation, definitely not throw aways. I can't imagine anyone wants to be "that guy" when it comes to taking a sweet tie and putting in something sub par. Also, while I don't believe this is the case here, quantity doesn't off set quality - four sub par ties doesn't equate to one awesome tie.

And back when, I posted a teaser picture of four or five tie candidates for the TSB. Contactme PMd me about one of the ties pictured and we struck a deal on it. I didn't at the time and currently don't believe that this has done any harm to the TSB since I will still be able to contribute, IMO, a killer tie or two, **Pending continuation of currently idle TSB** and unless Contactme wants to divulge, no one will know which tie he purchased. Certainly if this is offensive to any of the participants, then I apologize.
post #815 of 915
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

I don't care either way on this but I"m bored and started thinking about this.
Stuff like this is going to be as succesful as the participants are honest. Setting aside my contribution, when someone gets the box and it has ties X, Y and Z which are popular brands that sell for three figures and then you put in two Geoffrey Beane/Jerry Garcia/stuff from ebay lost and found, what do you think the next guy is going to do when he gets that box? It just takes one guy to compromise the integrity of the box and then its all for shit. If you know the people participating are putting in relatively good stuff, and we all knew that was the expectation here, and you don't have something equal to contribute, don't participate. There are many nice, inexpensive tie deals on B&S and often people put up stuff for free to go to those "in need". You can't use something like this to hook yourself up.

Well said! I've followed both TSB #1 and TSB #2. My conclusion has been that TSB #1 turned out as intended, Not to call out names, but I think Levoosh above tells a great, typical story - that is the spirit the box was intended in. The shipping delays and now WRAdvisor's hiatus have been trying - hence people discussing a virtual option. Heck, the EU tie swap box has started out nicely. There are true gentlemen on these fora.

TSB#2 has suffered from certain members, as well as having a "slightly less elite" mindset in general. I don't think certain members understood what was expected - or they just didn't care and decided to dump their cheap ties after taking the quality seeds. Perhaps we were naive to think that we could have a tie swap box without some form of verification; perhaps we were all too trusting. For all the talk about "there's no accounting for taste, who cares about brand" we should have had accountability to avoid complete abuse of the box. Take an awesome tie, put in a couple of awesome ties - it should not go "take an awesome tie, put in a couple of crappy ties." Those members know that, and they have to live with that.

I think the whole point of this was to pay it forward and run an awesome project among the gents on here - and I think Ed and Kent (as well as other seeders) were an amazing part of that. In part because of that, TSB#1 has not had issues the same way TSB#2 has - and those issues TSB#2 has I would ascribe only to certain members who I don't care to name - but who are easily identifiable by logical deduction. The expectation steveoly expressed - take one awesome tie, put in two awesome ties - got perverted to "take one awesome tie, put in two crappy ties" and those users now have to live with themselves on that, along with the knowledge that they've killed the golden goose, as it were.

In general, this is a great, amazing, interesting project, very worthy of putting time and ties into - even very expensive ones. I think there just needs to be some safeguard against exploitative members such as those that arose in TSB#2.

Ed - again, thanks - I'm not even in TSB#1 (barely missed the cutoff) and I'm in awe of your generosity and contributions to the project. Whether or not you do anything like this again, you and Kent did a Good Thing - and I think it's a shame that your thoughts on it have been polluted by unfortunate individuals taking advantage.
post #816 of 915
As far as I'm concerned teh box was crap (save Spoo's squares and possibly one tie from gyasih) when I got it. I never saw (or expected to) see anything from Ed or Kent.

Having said that I think taste and individual style plays a role here. Regardless of the designer or retail price, one man's go-to tie may be another man's polishing rag.

I think the idea of this was great and gentlemanly status was extended to all who got on the list early but perhaps more caution should have been exercised in that regard. In that vain, I think we should re-start this and this time in order to enter, each participant has to submit a pic of the ties that he's willing to put in the box. Then, participants can be selected based on the level of ties they have. We could possibly tier this idea with say, level 1 ties, level 2, etc.

I can take this position because I am the only one in the group who actually posted pics of all of my ties ITT.


Having said all of that I started the Ultimate Tie & Square Swap
Edited by NORE - 12/2/11 at 12:18pm
post #817 of 915
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Originally Posted by IrateCustomer View Post

This can be accomplished in the B/S section with a Trade tag on your listing. I'm surprised nobody has done this yet quite frankly.

because the B&S threads don't get bumped by a new post so it will soon disappear into the abyss
i've thought about doing it in B&S as well
post #818 of 915
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Originally Posted by steveoly View Post

And back when, I posted a teaser picture of four or five tie candidates for the TSB. Contactme PMd me about one of the ties pictured and we struck a deal on it. I didn't at the time and currently don't believe that this has done any harm to the TSB since I will still be able to contribute, IMO, a killer tie or two, **Pending continuation of currently idle TSB** and unless Contactme wants to divulge, no one will know which tie he purchased. Certainly if this is offensive to any of the participants, then I apologize.

This was a deal between you and I and I feel no need to reveal anything else. It did not effect the box in any sort of way, everyone knows you weren't obligated to put in all 5 of those ties.

And to Ed,
I didn't buy any of your ties, I have never even seen one of your ties in real life.

Kent's ties were very nice, but I wanted to allow others the opportunity to receive them so I passed them on. Again, I only took one tie and replaced it with 3, anlong with before and after pics of the box.
post #819 of 915
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Originally Posted by XKxRome0ox View Post

because the B&S threads don't get bumped by a new post so it will soon disappear into the abyss
i've thought about doing it in B&S as well

You can pay for an upgrade, just $7 to bump it every other day for 2 weeks. Thats a damn fine deal if you ask me.

In regards to this box, I seeded this with 3 good ties, when it got to me, it was Jerry Garcia land. When TSB1 came to me, it had 2 Pantas, an Etro, and a D&G. I took a Panta and a D&G, put in a NWT Kiton, Hermes, and (forgot the third but along those lines). Don't know what it looks like now, but anyone who took a NWT Kiton hopefully put in equal caliber. Whoever took the Hermes, hopefully did the same. We are all smart enough to know what time it is.
post #820 of 915
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Originally Posted by LEVOOSH View Post

I really didn't want to participate in this whine-fest but its just really frustrating to listen to all of you and see how this has degraded.
In TieSwapBox #2 the consensus seems to be that the ties are sub-par for peoples expectations. Thats a shame.
That is apparently not the case with TSB #1. I have not heard anyone really complaining about the box contents. Nore didn't take any ties, but had the decency to conclude that there was nothing that fit his aesthetic and pass it along. I took one of Ed's great ties (cant say thank you Enought Ed). When I sent the box to Spoo I looked trhough my choices of ties and picked something of good quality that I thought was interesting and that he would enjoy (I had the luxury of seeing hundreds of posts showing his tastes). I think he enjoyed it and took it. I also put in an Etro tie that was wool/cashmere blend but a bit on the narrow side. It's not my best tie but I thought that someone might enjoy it down the road. People should have that mindset when they put in at least 1 tie - "would the next guy who gets this be excited to receive this tie"? If you want to put in a few more of lesser quality to add to the contents then so be it, but we all know what would be appreciated and what is shit that no one will wear.
Now I understand that the box has now been sent to WRAdvisor who has disappeared. Has the sender confirmed delivery? Presumably, WRAdvisor is a longstanding member who has succesfully participated in swap boxes like this. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt for a while and not freak out about ties.
With respect to side-deals - its wrong and really rude to be doing them. Ties shown here are meant for the box. Don't attempt to jump the line because you "need" a certain tie.

The Box was confirmed delivered by the USPS on November 22nd. I don't know much more than that. If anyone knows WRAdvisor, feel free to contact him.

As to the quality of the box when it reached me, I thought it was fine. I took the Wang grenadine, mainly because for some reason I don't have a navy grenadine, and none of the other ties were to my taste - either in terms of color or width. I added three ties - a Paul Stuart, BB and Dunhil. The Paul Stuart is pretty new and unworn. I've always liked it, but it never really matched anything properly for me. The other two were older and I felt like I had outgrown them, but they are still decent ties that I could picture someone liking. I do not recall seeing anything really bad in the box.
post #821 of 915
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Originally Posted by contactme_11 View Post

My thought was start a thread where people post pics of what they want to trade, front and back; could be one tie or several. You see something you like and PM the person and ask if they like anything you have posted. If yes, then swap takes place and both parties hopefully are happy.

I think the other bonus to doing it this way is the whole quality issue thing. Some people have very high expectations of the box. Others don't have the quality to match and still would like to trade some ties. Maybe these are people that don't care about brands and just want to trade a tie based on a pattern they like. If you're posting pics of what you have up for trade, be it high or low end stuff, someone might have something in a comparable range. And if you're only interested in certain quality or brands, then that is all you look for.
post #822 of 915
I see that WRAdvisor was logged on a few minutes ago. (Yes, I lurk a lot!). Anyway, I imagine he's catching up on this thread with quite a few WTFs. But it seems like TSB1 will live on...for now. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
post #823 of 915
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Originally Posted by steveoly View Post

I see that WRAdvisor was logged on a few minutes ago. (Yes, I lurk a lot!). Anyway, I imagine he's catching up on this thread with quite a few WTFs. But it seems like TSB1 will live on...for now. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif

Be honest. How often were you checking his profile?
post #824 of 915
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Originally Posted by contactme_11 View Post

Be honest. How often were you checking his profile?

LOL. It's not like I'm hammering the F5 button non-stop! But seriously I did check on more than one occasion. peepwall[1].gif
post #825 of 915
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Originally Posted by steveoly View Post

LOL. It's not like I'm hammering the F5 button non-stop! But seriously I did check on more than one occasion. peepwall[1].gif

I doubt you're the only one. I didn't bother since I knew there would be a post as soon as there was a WRadvisor sighting.
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