Originally Posted by SField
Ehh I don't think I can really be lumped into any of those categories. People can eat whatever beef they like. I should say that I would find it regrettable that someone who could afford to eat better beef isn't, but that their business. I simply entered this thread saying that the OP probably has an overly rosy view of the industrial beef industry. Never at any point have I said that people shouldn't be allowed to eat beef, wherever it comes from. I think that in 50 years though, we will certainly look back and realize the enormous impact that our beef consumption has had on our collective health and environment. Probably the most important point to consider here is the very real fact that 100% grass fed organic beef is not possible at the levels that we would need for it to be affordable for everyone. That realization (which is rather obvious), brings up a host of questions. As far as that little discussion we had months ago about filet mignon, that's completely forgotten and I didn't even think about that until you brought it up. I wasn't beefing with this guy at all, I was simply bringing up the fact that a clean slaughterhouse doesn't really address the problem that many white rich people have with the beef industry.
I find myself in an odd position in these topics, and for most other environment topics. As I mentioned in the forgotten filet thread, I probably eat beef once a month, maybe twice, and anything other than grass fed beef maybe twice a year if a client or friend feels the need to go to a steak house. I pretty much stick to fish, shellfish, duck, pork, rabbit and pigeon, with a little lamb mixed in. The fish market I use is really into sustainable fishing, so while I don't think about it much, I guess my fish consumption is pretty good. I eat a lot of vegetables, etc. That is just how I learned to eat, and how I feel comfortable eating. I have no interest at all in forcing others to eat that way, so I end up feeling the need to argue for the goodness, or whatever, of things I don't really like, and never search out. Likewise, I don't care how much people drive, but I turned my last car in after 4 years and 12k miles. Not saying that I am great, but that the issue is one of motivations, and I don't think many people are motivated by belligerent assholes like Michael Pollan, or by guilt tripping them about the sad cows or how cow farts are bad for the environment. I think it's great that you showed somebody how to shop, and that kind of stuff will improve things if done with kindness as in your example, but people also like McDonalds etc, and I don't think that anything will stop that, and I think marginalizing people for eating that way is both silly and cruel, and shows a lack of understanding for the multiple motivations at work.