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post #16 of 66
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Originally Posted by computerpro3 View Post


Once you get an exotic, you'll want to drive it everyday. Curiosity and loud exhaust are part of the experience.. Driving an exotic makes going to the grocery store the highlight of your day. Even in the winter. Cost also isn't an issue if you have an exotic.

Daily driving an exotic quickly feels like abuse. A quick run to the store means a trip that doesn't let the engine or tires warm at speeds that don't let you enjoy the performance you paid for; it means large expensive rims hitting potholes on poorly maintained urban streets (or torn up for repaving), while surrounded by inattentive drivers in uninsured beaters that don't give a damn; it means parking a wide car in spaces designed for compacts next to people that will ding you out of jealousy or just plain apathy. Why put it thru that crap, regardless of how much money you have, when it's not what you bought it for? No one buys a Ferrari 458 dreaming of the 20mph run to Walgreens, any more than they buy a designer suit to mow the lawn and clean out the garage.

The opposite is what I see - people on enthusiast forums that won't daily drive ordinary cars. A BMW forum I'm on recently had a post from someone looking for a Toyota or Honda because he didn't want to rack up miles on his 2-year old 1-series coupe (wtf?).
post #17 of 66
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The opposite is what I see - people on enthusiast forums that won't daily drive ordinary cars. A BMW forum I'm on recently had a post from someone looking for a Toyota or Honda because he didn't want to rack up miles on his 2-year old 1-series coupe (wtf?).
This is what I see mostly, too. On the other hand, someone in my neighborhood daily, including overnight, parks his Ferrari outside and another one who parks a beautifully restored vintage RR outside. confused.gif
post #18 of 66
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Originally Posted by epb View Post


Daily driving an exotic quickly feels like abuse. A quick run to the store means a trip that doesn't let the engine or tires warm at speeds that don't let you enjoy the performance you paid for; it means large expensive rims hitting potholes on poorly maintained urban streets (or torn up for repaving), while surrounded by inattentive drivers in uninsured beaters that don't give a damn; it means parking a wide car in spaces designed for compacts next to people that will ding you out of jealousy or just plain apathy. Why put it thru that crap, regardless of how much money you have, when it's not what you bought it for? No one buys a Ferrari 458 dreaming of the 20mph run to Walgreens, any more than they buy a designer suit to mow the lawn and clean out the garage.

The opposite is what I see - people on enthusiast forums that won't daily drive ordinary cars. A BMW forum I'm on recently had a post from someone looking for a Toyota or Honda because he didn't want to rack up miles on his 2-year old 1-series coupe (wtf?).

I have a feeling you've never owned an exotic. Once you do get one, you'll never want to leave it in the garage. The idea of a true "car guy" leaving the Ferrari in the garage to "not rack up miles" is ludicrous.

A BMW isn't an exotic. BMW forums are filled with people that think they are, and thus go through the motions of what they think exotic owners do (Driving a civic as a beater, for example). Go to Ferrari Chat and you'll see hundreds of owners who daily drive.

You put it through that crap because it IS what you bought it for - an exotic is something that makes your life better and more enjoyable. Who cares about mileage - you don't keep exotics long enough to worry about 100k reliability. Just trade it in an get another one. I'd wager that most exotics are kept for under 30k by their original owner. Perhaps under 20.

A picture of ours in it's winter daily driver glory:

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Sure, it's more fun driving 140mph on a canyon run than a 20mph trip to the grocery store but answer me this - is 20mph more fun in a Maserati or a Honda Civic?

The only time when the Maserati isn't driven is in fresh snow, in which case the Audi A8L is the choice.

We buy cars to drive and enjoy, not to look at (though that is a nice bonus too).
post #19 of 66
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Originally Posted by computerpro3 View Post


I have a feeling you've never owned an exotic. Once you do get one, you'll never want to leave it in the garage. The idea of a true "car guy" leaving the Ferrari in the garage to "not rack up miles" is ludicrous.

A BMW isn't an exotic. BMW forums are filled with people that think they are, and thus go through the motions of what they think exotic owners do (Driving a civic as a beater, for example). Go to Ferrari Chat and you'll see hundreds of owners who daily drive.

You put it through that crap because it IS what you bought it for - an exotic is something that makes your life better and more enjoyable. Who cares about mileage - you don't keep exotics long enough to worry about 100k reliability. Just trade it in an get another one. I'd wager that most exotics are kept for under 30k by their original owner. Perhaps under 20.

A picture of ours in it's winter daily driver glory:

12221405.jpg

25087970.jpg

Sure, it's more fun driving 140mph on a canyon run than a 20mph trip to the grocery store but answer me this - is 20mph more fun in a Maserati or a Honda Civic?

The only time when the Maserati isn't driven is in fresh snow, in which case the Audi A8L is the choice.

We buy cars to drive and enjoy, not to look at (though that is a nice bonus too).

Great car. I'm over on Ferrari Chat as well...

Once you own 6 "exotics" they aren't so "exotic" anymore and yes...you drive the hell out of them. I don't understand the saving mileage talk
post #20 of 66
Talking about driving expensaive cars every day reminded me of the story I read awhile back of the guy who found out his wife was cheating on him (or something along those lines), divorced her, sold all of his stuff, bought a Gallardo, road tripped around the country for a year or something, and racked up over 100k miles on it.


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http://jalopnik.com/5559767/i-sold-everything-to-buy-a-lamborghini-and-drive-across-the-country
post #21 of 66
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Originally Posted by computerpro3 View Post


I have a feeling you've never owned an exotic. Once you do get one, you'll never want to leave it in the garage. The idea of a true "car guy" leaving the Ferrari in the garage to "not rack up miles" is ludicrous.

A BMW isn't an exotic. BMW forums are filled with people that think they are, and thus go through the motions of what they think exotic owners do (Driving a civic as a beater, for example). Go to Ferrari Chat and you'll see hundreds of owners who daily drive.

You put it through that crap because it IS what you bought it for - an exotic is something that makes your life better and more enjoyable. Who cares about mileage - you don't keep exotics long enough to worry about 100k reliability. Just trade it in an get another one. I'd wager that most exotics are kept for under 30k by their original owner. Perhaps under 20.

A picture of ours in it's winter daily driver glory:

12221405.jpg

25087970.jpg

Sure, it's more fun driving 140mph on a canyon run than a 20mph trip to the grocery store but answer me this - is 20mph more fun in a Maserati or a Honda Civic?

The only time when the Maserati isn't driven is in fresh snow, in which case the Audi A8L is the choice.

We buy cars to drive and enjoy, not to look at (though that is a nice bonus too).

That's nice and all but your Masi isn't an exotic anymore than a Nissan GT-R is an exotic, which is to say not at all. Your snobbery is quite amusing, however, given the circumstances. All this talk about daily driving exotics one would figure you'd at the very least be rolling in a Porsche (which apart from the 918 doesn't really make exotics either) and here you show us a picture of your GranTurismo, LOL.

I love Masi GTs, just not a snobby owner who refers to his as 'exotic' and belittles those who may own arguably lesser cars but prefer to daily beaters. lol8[1].gif @ the 'true car guy' statement.
post #22 of 66
Touche'
post #23 of 66
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That's nice and all but your Masi isn't an exotic anymore than a Nissan GT-R is an exotic, which is to say not at all. Your snobbery is quite amusing, however, given the circumstances. All this talk about daily driving exotics one would figure you'd at the very least be rolling in a Porsche (which apart from the 918 doesn't really make exotics either) and here you show us a picture of your GranTurismo, LOL.

I love Masi GTs, just not a snobby owner who refers to his as 'exotic' and belittles those who may own arguably lesser cars but prefer to daily beaters. lol8[1].gif @ the 'true car guy' statement.



Why would we want a thoroughly boring Porsche? Engine sounds like a vacuum cleaner. We could have had any Porsche excepting the obvious like GT2 and Carrera GT for the price of the Granturismo S, but P-cars are caught in no-mans land. There are better cars for the track, and far better cars for the road.

Bottom line? The Maserati stirs the soul, the Porsche is like operating an appliance. A very good appliance that goes very fast, but an appliance nonetheless.

At 4.7 seconds to 60 stock (ours has the full gamut of Formula Dynamics modifications), the Maserati isn't a supercar - and unlike on other car forums, you won't find any owners pretending it is. But an exotic? In rarity, price, production numbers origin, bloodlines, sound, emotions, head-turning, soul, and build quality it certainly is. And a 1/4 mile in the high 12's ain't bad either for a daily driver.

But don't take my word for it. Ask the ten people per commute that hang out their windows like idiots with cameraphones going. Or the lips you can read of people driving by that say "Holy shit, it's a Maserati." Or the crowd of people gathered around your car every single time you come out of a restaurant. Or the countless people in M3's and 911's that incessantly try to race.

If you don't understand what makes an exotic, it's your loss - not mine. At the end of the day, I'll be enjoying the hell out of ours.
post #24 of 66
Are there really people in the US who think a BMW is an exotic and have a Honda as a beater? You're kidding me, right?

BTW, great Maserati. Anyone can drive an Porsche, but only few a Maserati or the like.
post #25 of 66
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Originally Posted by computerpro3 View Post

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Originally Posted by Farhan View Post


That's nice and all but your Masi isn't an exotic anymore than a Nissan GT-R is an exotic, which is to say not at all. Your snobbery is quite amusing, however, given the circumstances. All this talk about daily driving exotics one would figure you'd at the very least be rolling in a Porsche (which apart from the 918 doesn't really make exotics either) and here you show us a picture of your GranTurismo, LOL.

I love Masi GTs, just not a snobby owner who refers to his as 'exotic' and belittles those who may own arguably lesser cars but prefer to daily beaters. lol8[1].gif @ the 'true car guy' statement.



Why would we want a thoroughly boring Porsche? Engine sounds like a vacuum cleaner. We could have had any Porsche excepting the obvious like GT2 and Carrera GT for the price of the Granturismo S, but P-cars are caught in no-mans land. There are better cars for the track, and far better cars for the road.

Bottom line? The Maserati stirs the soul, the Porsche is like operating an appliance. A very good appliance that goes very fast, but an appliance nonetheless.

At 4.7 seconds to 60 stock (ours has the full gamut of Formula Dynamics modifications), the Maserati isn't a supercar - and unlike on other car forums, you won't find any owners pretending it is. But an exotic? In rarity, price, production numbers origin, bloodlines, sound, emotions, head-turning, soul, and build quality it certainly is. And a 1/4 mile in the high 12's ain't bad either for a daily driver.

But don't take my word for it. Ask the ten people per commute that hang out their windows like idiots with cameraphones going. Or the lips you can read of people driving by that say "Holy shit, it's a Maserati." Or the crowd of people gathered around your car every single time you come out of a restaurant. Or the countless people in M3's and 911's that incessantly try to race.

If you don't understand what makes an exotic, it's your loss - not mine. At the end of the day, I'll be enjoying the hell out of ours.
You have a fucking maserati. Plebe who ohh and ah over your 'exotic' probably ohh and ahh over a 7 series. Get real.
post #26 of 66
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Originally Posted by Dashaansafin View Post

You have a fucking maserati. Plebe who ohh and ah over your 'exotic' probably ohh and ahh over a 7 series. Get real.

Totally. Every time I drive the A8L or Q5 crowds of people whip out their phones.

Or not.
post #27 of 66
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Originally Posted by JayJay View Post

This is what I see mostly, too. On the other hand, someone in my neighborhood daily, including overnight, parks his Ferrari outside and another one who parks a beautifully restored vintage RR outside. confused.gif

Actually, I street-parked my '66 Rolls-Royce when I had it. Somoene left a note on it offering to let me garage it for free, but I sold it on soon after that.
post #28 of 66
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Originally Posted by Dashaansafin View Post

You have a fucking maserati. Plebe who ohh and ah over your 'exotic' probably ohh and ahh over a 7 series. Get real.

This makes me resent living in Australia.
I work in an aussie city and see 7 series bmw's by the dozen. I see Ferrari's & Lambos doing laps in the nicer areas on a friday night. I've seen maybe 2 maserati's in the last 12 months.

That makes them exotic to me... Plus an 08 granturismo here would cost $184,000 USD for the cheapest one on the market. I could buy an 09 GT-R for $70,000 less or an 05 ferrari 360 f-1 spider for similar money.
post #29 of 66
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Originally Posted by computerpro3 View Post

Why would we want a thoroughly boring Porsche? Engine sounds like a vacuum cleaner. We could have had any Porsche excepting the obvious like GT2 and Carrera GT for the price of the Granturismo S, but P-cars are caught in no-mans land. There are better cars for the track, and far better cars for the road.

Bottom line? The Maserati stirs the soul, the Porsche is like operating an appliance. A very good appliance that goes very fast, but an appliance nonetheless.

At 4.7 seconds to 60 stock (ours has the full gamut of Formula Dynamics modifications), the Maserati isn't a supercar - and unlike on other car forums, you won't find any owners pretending it is. But an exotic? In rarity, price, production numbers origin, bloodlines, sound, emotions, head-turning, soul, and build quality it certainly is. And a 1/4 mile in the high 12's ain't bad either for a daily driver.

But don't take my word for it. Ask the ten people per commute that hang out their windows like idiots with cameraphones going. Or the lips you can read of people driving by that say "Holy shit, it's a Maserati." Or the crowd of people gathered around your car every single time you come out of a restaurant. Or the countless people in M3's and 911's that incessantly try to race.

If you don't understand what makes an exotic, it's your loss - not mine. At the end of the day, I'll be enjoying the hell out of ours.
I love your car and I like your attitude about daily driving exotics, but you lost me with your "Porsche is a boring appliance" comment. That makes you come across as not only snobby, but knowing nothing about cars. Or at least maybe never driving a Porsche the way it was meant to be driven.
post #30 of 66
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Originally Posted by computerpro3 View Post




Why would we want a thoroughly boring Porsche? Engine sounds like a vacuum cleaner. We could have had any Porsche excepting the obvious like GT2 and Carrera GT for the price of the Granturismo S, but P-cars are caught in no-mans land. There are better cars for the track, and far better cars for the road.

Bottom line? The Maserati stirs the soul, the Porsche is like operating an appliance. A very good appliance that goes very fast, but an appliance nonetheless.

At 4.7 seconds to 60 stock (ours has the full gamut of Formula Dynamics modifications), the Maserati isn't a supercar - and unlike on other car forums, you won't find any owners pretending it is. But an exotic? In rarity, price, production numbers origin, bloodlines, sound, emotions, head-turning, soul, and build quality it certainly is. And a 1/4 mile in the high 12's ain't bad either for a daily driver.

But don't take my word for it. Ask the ten people per commute that hang out their windows like idiots with cameraphones going. Or the lips you can read of people driving by that say "Holy shit, it's a Maserati." Or the crowd of people gathered around your car every single time you come out of a restaurant. Or the countless people in M3's and 911's that incessantly try to race.

If you don't understand what makes an exotic, it's your loss - not mine. At the end of the day, I'll be enjoying the hell out of ours.


I agree with you.

I recently sold my 993 C2, and after many test drives of newer variants, I was left less then impressed.
Sure, the performance was amazing... But I need more from a 100k+ purchase (Canada).


Beautiful Maserati.
Definitely an exotic.
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