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post #2416 of 3023
Your comparison with the Le Cirque review is interesting not in the quality of the reviews, Wells was in the style of anybody with an attitude and access to blogspot and Reichl can, and in that case did, write well. The interesting thing is that they decided to take completely different points of view on the world. To wit, Reichl spent a good bit of energy fighting the good fight and telling restaurants not to treat people, customers, as though they are better than them, while Wells spent almost zero brainpower telling a relatively large group of people that he is, in fact, better than them. It was pathetic, in my opinion.
post #2417 of 3023
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Your comparison with the Le Cirque review is interesting not in the quality of the reviews, Wells was in the style of anybody with an attitude and access to blogspot and Reichl can, and in that case did, write well. The interesting thing is that they decided to take completely different points of view on the world. To wit, Reichl spent a good bit of energy fighting the good fight and telling restaurants not to treat people, customers, as though they are better than them, while Wells spent almost zero brainpower telling a relatively large group of people that he is, in fact, better than them. It was pathetic, in my opinion.
that's an interesting thought. i could make the opposite reaction for the wells review, though, that he was telling restaurants that just because they have sleb-hype behind them, they still shouldn't treat their customers like carnival rubes (sorry rube). again, i'm certainly not arguing for the superiority of wells' review (it takes balls of steel to take down le cirque -- and ruthie has them -- but slamming taco joe or whatever he calls himself is shooting fish in a barrel). i'm just making a philosophical point (or what passes for one in my tiny brain).
post #2418 of 3023
So we have different ideas about what Wells was lampooning: low/middle-brow dining or a guy who's now making a lot of money by representing low/middle-brow fare and is now peddling really bad, overpriced versions of that in Times Square. The latter aim seems fine with me while the former is mean-spirited. But I suppose things aren't that clear cut.
post #2419 of 3023
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So we have different ideas about what Wells was lampooning: low/middle-brow dining or a guy who's now making a lot of money by representing low/middle-brow fare and is now peddling really bad, overpriced versions of that in Times Square. The latter aim seems fine with me while the former is mean-spirited. But I suppose things aren't that clear cut.
hmm, seems pretty clear to me that wells was aiming at the latter. god help us if guy fieri is really representative of american heartland cooking.
post #2420 of 3023
I think there is a third option, which is that he is ridiculing a culture of people who are likely to be found in Times Square in a restaurant like this, and at the same time ridiculing Fieri. It's not dissimilar from when the fashion editor had a conniption fit about low brow JC Penny going into fashionable Manhattan. It seems to me that there is a strong desire to protect New York from the unwashed masses who like this shit, and it is shit, but it isn't very nice. Of course, low brow dining is fine, as long as the amount of irony and attitude employed at every step is correct.
post #2421 of 3023
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I think there is a third option, which is that he is ridiculing a culture of people who are likely to be found in Times Square in a restaurant like this, and at the same time ridiculing Fieri. It's not dissimilar from when the fashion editor had a conniption fit about low brow JC Penny going into fashionable Manhattan. It seems to me that there is a strong desire to protect New York from the unwashed masses who like this shit, and it is shit, but it isn't very nice. Of course, low brow dining is fine, as long as the amount of irony and attitude are employed at every step.
my take on it is somewhat different. I think his attitude is more that if you're going to present something as "honest american fare" that you should treat it respectfully. there is nothing "honest" (or "American" or "fare" for that matter) about guy fieri or the food he presents (i worked with him on a tv series, have some personal experience).
post #2422 of 3023
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I think there is a third option, which is that he is ridiculing a culture of people who are likely to be found in Times Square in a restaurant like this, and at the same time ridiculing Fieri. It's not dissimilar from when the fashion editor had a conniption fit about low brow JC Penny going into fashionable Manhattan. It seems to me that there is a strong desire to protect New York from the unwashed masses who like this shit, and it is shit, but it isn't very nice. Of course, low brow dining is fine, as long as the amount of irony and attitude employed at every step is correct.

Probably a good amount of truth to this.

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(i worked with him on a tv series, have some personal experience).

Why must you tantalize us like this?
post #2423 of 3023
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Originally Posted by itsstillmatt View Post

I think there is a third option, which is that he is ridiculing a culture of people who are likely to be found in Times Square in a restaurant like this, and at the same time ridiculing Fieri. It's not dissimilar from when the fashion editor had a conniption fit about low brow JC Penny going into fashionable Manhattan. It seems to me that there is a strong desire to protect New York from the unwashed masses who like this shit, and it is shit, but it isn't very nice. Of course, low brow dining is fine, as long as the amount of irony and attitude employed at every step is correct.

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my take on it is somewhat different. I think his attitude is more that if you're going to present something as "honest american fare" that you should treat it respectfully. there is nothing "honest" (or "American" or "fare" for that matter) about guy fieri or the food he presents (i worked with him on a tv series, have some personal experience).

I think you're both right here, but I still don't think it takes away from the review being funny.
post #2424 of 3023
I think I am just tired of people being mean for the fun of it.
post #2425 of 3023
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I think I am just tired of people being mean for the fun of it.
you're kind of a pollyanna that way, aren't you? nod[1].gif
(before anybody out there gets their panties in a twist, that's a paraphrase of a classic iammatt post ... memorialized in somebody's sig, but i'm forgetting whose)
post #2426 of 3023
Horns!!!
post #2427 of 3023
These smell great. Much happier than the Pete Wells/Guy Fieri clusterfuck.

FG--what is the best way to select them (quince)? I just picked the ones that smelled best/strongest.

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post #2428 of 3023
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I just picked the ones that smelled best/strongest.

Interesting technique. I usually pick the ones that smell worst/weakest.
post #2429 of 3023
prick
post #2430 of 3023
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as takedowns go, I wouldn't compare it to Ruth's review of Le Cirque.

Wells wasn't exactly warm and fuzzy on Le Cirque.
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