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post #16 of 39
whoever came in 2nd place is surely doping as well.
post #17 of 39
<sigh>

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...x.html?cnn=yes
post #18 of 39
Synthetic testosterone, drunkeness the day before Morzine, and nobody added anything to the thread?
post #19 of 39
Floyd is dead to me. The sport of cycling is a nothing more than a circus these days.
post #20 of 39
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Originally Posted by Fabienne
Synthetic testosterone, drunkeness the day before Morzine, and nobody added anything to the thread?

Don't gloat -- I doubt all of the top 6 will be disqualified.

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1 071 LANDIS, Floyd - USA
2 097 PEREIRO SIO, Oscar - SPAIN
3 021 KLÖDEN, Andréas - GERMANY
4 014 SASTRE, Carlos - SPAIN
5 061 EVANS, Cadel - AUSTRIA
6 051 MENCHOV, Denis - RUSSIA
7 035 DESSEL, Cyril - FRANCE
post #21 of 39
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Originally Posted by Quirk
Don't gloat -- I doubt all of the top 6 will be disqualified.



Actually, the Spaniard next in line is rather charming, well-spoken, and (at least apparently) humble.
post #22 of 39
He is also a good friend of Floyd Landis.
post #23 of 39
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Originally Posted by Renault78law
Floyd is dead to me. The sport of cycling is a nothing more than a circus these days.


My sentiments exactly. The last great cycling champion in my mind was Greg Lemond, every one since then is suspect in my mind. Seeing Eddy and Bernard on the podium with Floyd was a beautiful thing which has been soiled by Floyd's apparent cheating.
post #24 of 39
Thread Starter 
I, too, am rapidly becoming disgusted with the whole cycling world. Is the doping (etc.) so rampant that there are no "clean" champions? What amazes me is Landis' insistence in his innocence. Is he so certain that the "B" sample will clear him? Or is he merely an incurable liar? Next year's Tour will go on without my interest.
post #25 of 39
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Originally Posted by Dakota rube
I, too, am rapidly becoming disgusted with the whole cycling world. Is the doping (etc.) so rampant that there are no "clean" champions? What amazes me is Landis' insistence in his innocence. Is he so certain that the "B" sample will clear him? Or is he merely an incurable liar?

Next year's Tour will go on without my interest.
Well, I think it's kind of like Rafael Palmeiro or Barry Bonds. Once someone has gone down that road, there aren't a lot of exits that lead to acceptable destinations (acceptable, that is, to someone of a mind that would have taking the cheating road in the first place). Assuming he's thinking "tactically", trying to brazen it out and hoping - even against long odds - that the samples will be compromised or some other fortuity will allow him to skate - is a rational (albeit disgraceful) choice.
post #26 of 39
I don't know anything about Palmiero, but Bonds has always been regarded as an arrogant, self-centered guy, so his 'alleged' doping is not surprising. From what I've read, people pretty much think of Landis as a humble and forthright guy, that's why I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt. But it doesn't look good for him.

As more and more sophisticated drugs evolve, does the likelihood of false positives increase or decrease?
post #27 of 39
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Originally Posted by Quirk
I don't know anything about Palmiero, but Bonds has always been regarded as an arrogant, self-centered guy, so his 'alleged' doping is not surprising. From what I've read, people pretty much think of Landis as a humble and forthright guy, that's why I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt. But it doesn't look good for him.

As more and more sophisticated drugs evolve, does the likelihood of false positives increase or decrease?
Yeah, I agree regarding hoping Landis is exaggerated -- typo: meant exonerated -- and kind of hoping Bonds gets nailed. But ultimately, that may just mean that Landis cares more about, or pays more attention to, PR. Being more like Raffy than Barry may ultimately not be much to brag about.
No idea on the science question, which is a good one.
post #28 of 39
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Originally Posted by Dakota rube
I, too, am rapidly becoming disgusted with the whole cycling world. Is the doping (etc.) so rampant that there are no "clean" champions? What amazes me is Landis' insistence in his innocence. Is he so certain that the "B" sample will clear him? Or is he merely an incurable liar?

Next year's Tour will go on without my interest.
Cycling has a long history of doping. Riders literally plea to the camera in tears emphatically stating their innocence, only to later admit to wrongdoing. I don't believe, or disbelieve anything anymore. I just don't care.

Landis has stated that his B sample will not clear him; in other words, he expects the same results. It sounds as though he's going to try to clear his name in the appeal, which will take months and months. No matter the result of the proceedings, his performance has been marred. Nobody will ever know. My cycling friends have tried to persuade me for years that the entire peloton is doping, but I never believed it, until now.
post #29 of 39
Thread Starter 
I heard someone last night say that steroids (from which one would expect the high testosterone levels) would have absolutely no effect on a short-term basis. So if Landis "creamed" or "cleared" or whatever it is they do with the stuff on the night after he bonked in the mountains, he'd realize no physical impact the next day (when he regained 8 minutes of time on the leader). I simply don't get it.
post #30 of 39
Scientists disagree about testosterone use. Some claim it would have had no effect. Others tout the healing/recovery powers of testosterone. The stages these guys ride on a daily basis in the tour are astounding. Those that think he was using testosterone think he (and most other riders) use it on a daily basis to speed recovery after each stage. They think that something screwy happened after stage 16, either phsyiologically or botched the dosage, and after 17, he got nailed for it.
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