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post #31 of 42
6/3/10 at 4:58pm
Ideal solution:

1. Bud Selig overturns the call and gives the guy a perfect game.
2. Bud Selig steps down as commish.
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3. No slippery slope, because future commishes can say it was Bud's decision but that they are unwilling to overturn calls

Added bonus - Bud Selig no longer commish of MLB.
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post #32 of 42
6/3/10 at 5:00pm
Since when did the guy from Orange County Choppers become a MLB umpire?
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post #33 of 42
6/3/10 at 5:02pm
this. and it wasn't even that close.

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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post
they can't do that, would have gigantic repurcussions. Just shocked that Joyce would make that call even if the play was closer/pitcher bobbles the ball. 26 outs into a perfect game and unless the ball hits the hitter/ground, everything is a strike and unless he hits a clean hit, any play at first is an out, that is how baseball etiquette works
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post #34 of 42
6/3/10 at 5:04pm
I was not aware of any "baseball etiquette" surrounding perfect games
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post #35 of 42
6/3/10 at 5:06pm
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Originally Posted by Ambulance Chaser View Post
I don't see the slippery slope that everyone else is seeing. If the batter after Donald had reached base, overturning the call wouldn't be under consideration. Awarding Galarraga a perfect game merely takes away a single that shouldn't have been awarded anyways. It's not going to set precedent for Selig to overturn statistics and games left and right.

Well, do you then have a policy of correcting other lost or erroneously lost or awarded hits when they don't impact the outcome of the game? What if it's not the difference between a perfect or imperfect game, but could potentially be the difference in a close race for the batting title or ERA title? What about strikeouts and bases on balls?

The real "value" of throwing a perfect game is not statistical, it's in the acclaim and attention one receives and the niche one carves out in the lore of the game. In a perverse way, I think Galarraga's "perfect game" will be better remembered, and earn him a more enduring place in the baseball lore, than would be the case if Joyce hadn't blown the call.
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post #36 of 42
6/3/10 at 5:42pm
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big...urn=mlb,245508

He didn't make out so bad!!
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post #37 of 42
6/3/10 at 5:47pm
Nice gesture, but he could have bought 10 Corvettes today if he wanted. I think he'd have rather gotten a perfect game.
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post #38 of 42
6/3/10 at 5:59pm
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post
Well, do you then have a policy of correcting other lost or erroneously lost or awarded hits when they don't impact the outcome of the game? What if it's not the difference between a perfect or imperfect game, but could potentially be the difference in a close race for the batting title or ERA title? What about strikeouts and bases on balls?

The real "value" of throwing a perfect game is not statistical, it's in the acclaim and attention one receives and the niche one carves out in the lore of the game. In a perverse way, I think Galarraga's "perfect game" will be better remembered, and earn him a more enduring place in the baseball lore, than would be the case if Joyce hadn't blown the call.

The thought behind the idea of the commish overturning Joyce ruling is that currently, official scorers have 24 hours to change their original decision. Changes on hits/errors/etc are routinely made by scorers and this has been happening since forever. Selig changing it today has been argued to follow that same tradition.

Not arguing pro or con, just providing background.
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post #39 of 42
6/3/10 at 6:09pm
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Originally Posted by countdemoney View Post
The thought behind the idea of the commish overturning Joyce ruling is that currently, official scorers have 24 hours to change their original decision. Changes on hits/errors/etc are routinely made by scorers and this has been happening since forever. Selig changing it today has been argued to follow that same tradition.

Not arguing pro or con, just providing background.

Exactly. It's more typical to change an error to a hit and vice-versa, but changing the scoring on a play after the fact is not something that is not done. It's just never meant so much before.

I'm actually not sure how I feel about reversing the call or not. I understand the pros and cons of both.

Selig isn't going to overturn it either.
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post #40 of 42
6/3/10 at 8:47pm
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post
they can't do that, would have gigantic repurcussions. Just shocked that Joyce would make that call even if the play was closer/pitcher bobbles the ball. 26 outs into a perfect game and unless the ball hits the hitter/ground, everything is a strike and unless he hits a clean hit, any play at first is an out, that is how baseball etiquette works
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Originally Posted by MrG View Post
Yeah, it surprises me that in a close play, and short of an egregious error, the runner would be called safe at all. Even if one doesn't agree philosophically with that type of baseball etiquette, it's certainly the norm within the sport.
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Originally Posted by perusingnature View Post
the problem with calling this merely a mistake on Joyce's part is egregious. Everybody knew a perfect game was occuring AND there was 2 outs in the ninth. The play was a routine ground ball, the ump should be looking to call an out unless it was blatantly safe. And it was blatantly out. That is a ROUTINE groundout and he calls him safe?!!? Joyce really wanted to screw the pooch; he wanted to call that safe no matter what and he deserves the heavy handed criticisms.
agreed, agreed and agreed. i was present at Marlins stadium for Roy Halladay's PG and even in the 7th and 8th the strike zone was blatantly expanding. there was a 50/50 call late in the game (i think it was the 8th) and the first base ump called Maybin out. i didn't like it (and liked it even less on account of the behavior of the douchy Phillies fans in their POS Flyers jerseys ) but even i could understand what was going on and had an appreciation for the history being made (it also helps that i have always been a fan of Roy Halladay)
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post #41 of 42
6/3/10 at 10:12pm
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post #42 of 42
6/8/10 at 5:30pm
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Originally Posted by countdemoney View Post
The thought behind the idea of the commish overturning Joyce ruling is that currently, official scorers have 24 hours to change their original decision. Changes on hits/errors/etc are routinely made by scorers and this has been happening since forever. Selig changing it today has been argued to follow that same tradition.

Not arguing pro or con, just providing background.

Thanks. I get that, and thought of it in mulling over arguably comparable situations. But I don't think it's really applicable, because it's not an official scorer ruling -- it's a safe/out call by the umpire. Those historically have been treated as very different types of judgment calls.
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