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Betelgeuse Could Become a Supernova In as Little as a Few Weeks

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I'm guessing... 2012 Yeah, I know - break out the tin foil, but if it does just think how hip you'll be by knowing this: http://unixronin.livejournal.com/763082.html It is rumored, though I have been unable to find any reliable confirmation of the source (which is claimed to be first-hand) that the latest observations from Mauna Kea show that Betelgeuse (1000 times larger than our sun) is now shrinking so fast it is no longer round. (Due to conservation of angular momentum, when a massive star collapses gravitationally, it collapses faster at the poles, becoming increasingly oblate — flattened — as its final collapse accelerates.) What does this mean? Well, briefly, what it means — if true — is that Betelgeuse could be within as little as weeks of a Type II (core collapse) supernova. (Astronomers have considered for some time that Betelgeuse has the potential to go supernova any time in the next thousand years or so. "Any time" may just turn out to be rather sooner than expected.) IF this happens, not to put too fine a point on it, it will almost undoubtedly be among the most dramatic astronomical events ever observed by human eyes. A type II supernova can briefly outshine an entire galaxy ... and this one will be only a little over five hundred LY away. The supernova that created the Crab Nebula, SN 1054, was bright enough to see in daylight for 23 days, and remained visible for 653 days ... and it was 6,300 LY away. Betelgeuse is almost 12 times closer, and can be expected to appear around 140 times brighter by virtue of that alone. And as noted at the beginning of this post, Betelgeuse is the ninth largest star known to exist in the universe. When it collapses, it will be at least as bright as the full moon, and maybe as bright as the sun. For six weeks. So the really lucky folks (for whom Betelgeuse is only visible at night) will get 24 hour days, everybody else will get at least some time with two suns in the sky. The extra hour of light from daylight savings time won't burn the crops, but this might. Probably, all we'll get is visible light (not gamma rays or X-rays), so it shouldn't be an ELE. It's sure gonna freak everyone out, though.....
post #2 of 27
Fuck Yeah! Bring it!
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well, correct me if im wrong, even if the star becomes a supernova tomorrow, wouldnt it take 500 years for the effects and visions of it to reach earth?

unless they already determined it became a supernova 500 years ago, and it is only weeks away from reaching earth
post #4 of 27
This would be so fucking cool.
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Originally Posted by sho'nuff View Post
well, correct me if im wrong, even if the star becomes a supernova tomorrow, wouldnt it take 500 years for the effects and visions of it to reach earth?

unless they already determined it became a supernova 500 years ago, and it is only weeks away from reaching earth

What they mean is, according to the light we are seeing now. Yes, whatever happened (or didn't happen) is already in the past but for all intents and purposes, from our perspective, it is still unfolding.
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Originally Posted by sho'nuff View Post
well, correct me if im wrong, even if the star becomes a supernova tomorrow, wouldnt it take 500 years for the effects and visions of it to reach earth?

unless they already determined it became a supernova 500 years ago, and it is only weeks away from reaching earth

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What they mean is, according to the light we are seeing now. Yes, whatever happened (or didn't happen) is already in the past but for all intents and purposes, from our perspective, it is still unfolding.


nvm.
just read the article.
post #7 of 27
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Originally Posted by sho'nuff View Post
well, correct me if im wrong, even if the star becomes a supernova tomorrow, wouldnt it take 500 years for the effects and visions of it to reach earth?

unless they already determined it became a supernova 500 years ago, and it is only weeks away from reaching earth

I think what they actually mean is that it went SN 500 years ago and will be visible to us in a few weeks since they have no what of knowing what is happening there now since it takes 500 years for the information to get to us. Clear as mud?

EDIT: Manton beat me to it. Drats! Foiled again.
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It makes me a bid sad that Jerry Falwell won't be around to explain its significance.
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post #11 of 27
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/\\ Beetle, he's as bad as can One thing (of many) that doesn't add up is that Orion is a winter constellation. How could Mauna Kea observatory "see" it right now?
post #12 of 27
shits & giggles aside.. this would hella cool. On a side note.. I've been up to the Mauna Kea observatories... about as cool of a place to watch the sunset anywhere on earth.
post #13 of 27
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Cool, yes. Could massively mess up our weather for a long time depending on brightness.

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Cool, yes. Could massively mess up our weather for a long time depending on brightness.


yeah, just what we all need: Extra-strength summertime. Bring on the hurricanes to disperse the oil from the gulf.
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post #15 of 27
The article seems to have been edited to take out some of the more fantastic predictions since the OP's original quote. No more "two suns" or "burning crops" language, for example.
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