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post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
Here's the situation. In December, my fiance and I purchased two smartphones from Verizon and signed up for a two year contract (we've both been long-time Verizon customers). From Dec. through early May this year, the phones worked fine in our 12th floor apartment. The signal and call quality were never great, but the service worked well enough and almost never dropped a call. Since early May, however, the signal in our apartment has been terrible. It is difficult to make an outgoing call (the phone won't dial out most of the time) and when the call connects, the call quality is terrible and the call is usually dropped after a minute or two. This started happening to both of us around the same time. (and we can call from other locations just fine, so it isn't the phones). We haven't moved or done anything to the apartment. The building hasn't had any new construction and there is no construction nearby that could possibly interfere with the signal. I get an okay signal on the ground floor, but having to take an elevator down to the ground floor everytime to make a call isn't practical..

I've been working with Verizon tech support, but I'm doubtful they will be able to solve it. I suspect that they will throw their hands up or somehow try to pin the blame on something/someone other than them. Two reps have noted that the cell phone contract does not guarantee service indoors.

One possible option is to get a service extender from Verizon. Basically, it sets up a minature cell tower in your home by using a broadband connection. If this would solve my service problems, I'd be fine with using it, but the equipment costs $200. I am not about to purchase this product at my own cost to fix a problem that I did not create. A resonable outcome would be for them to provide the service extender free of charge, but I'm not sure if they will do it.

Assuming they don't, what are my options? The core issue here is that the service worked fine for months but now it doesn't work. Although the contract says that service isn't guaranteed indoors, I can't imagine that it helps them very much where the service worked for me for months but now, through no fault of my own, does not work. (I'm not sure what the problem is but suspect it might be their tower, otherwise I have no idea).

The most reasonable outcome is for them to provide the service extender. If they can't or won't, then I think I should be allowed to break the contract without any penalties. But I'm not sure how that would play out. Thoughts?
post #2 of 15
Pretty much there is nothing you can do. I assume at this point you have been told to dial *22899 to make sure your phone has the most up to date list of towers (PRL). You can always pay the ETF which on a smart phone is like 300 a line, and go to another service. You might get someone who will take some pity on you because your service used to work fine and has stopped. Also, dont count verizon tech support out, unfortunately they are regional based, so each is a little different, but I have always had good support and service from them including them doing tower resets, etc.. I have never used a CDMA (verizon) Femtocell, but conecptually I think they are a great idea. Cell tower leases in big cities are a nightmare. They are constantly jumping from location to location as different tower owners screw around so probably yours was moved to a location around the corner or something, just enough to screw you up.



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Originally Posted by magogian12345 View Post
Here's the situation. In December, my fiance and I purchased two smartphones from Verizon and signed up for a two year contract (we've both been long-time Verizon customers). From Dec. through early May this year, the phones worked fine in our 12th floor apartment. The signal and call quality were never great, but the service worked well enough and almost never dropped a call. Since early May, however, the signal in our apartment has been terrible. It is difficult to make an outgoing call (the phone won't dial out most of the time) and when the call connects, the call quality is terrible and the call is usually dropped after a minute or two. This started happening to both of us around the same time. (and we can call from other locations just fine, so it isn't the phones). We haven't moved or done anything to the apartment. The building hasn't had any new construction and there is no construction nearby that could possibly interfere with the signal. I get an okay signal on the ground floor, but having to take an elevator down to the ground floor everytime to make a call isn't practical..

I've been working with Verizon tech support, but I'm doubtful they will be able to solve it. I suspect that they will throw their hands up or somehow try to pin the blame on something/someone other than them. Two reps have noted that the cell phone contract does not guarantee service indoors.

One possible option is to get a service extender from Verizon. Basically, it sets up a minature cell tower in your home by using a broadband connection. If this would solve my service problems, I'd be fine with using it, but the equipment costs $200. I am not about to purchase this product at my own cost to fix a problem that I did not create. A resonable outcome would be for them to provide the service extender free of charge, but I'm not sure if they will do it.

Assuming they don't, what are my options? The core issue here is that the service worked fine for months but now it doesn't work. Although the contract says that service isn't guaranteed indoors, I can't imagine that it helps them very much where the service worked for me for months but now, through no fault of my own, does not work. (I'm not sure what the problem is but suspect it might be their tower, otherwise I have no idea).

The most reasonable outcome is for them to provide the service extender. If they can't or won't, then I think I should be allowed to break the contract without any penalties. But I'm not sure how that would play out. Thoughts?
post #3 of 15
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post #4 of 15
Thread Starter 
I have a clarification. I haven't been able to look at my verizon wireless contract because I can't find it. The assertion that "Verizon doesn't guarantee indoor service" came from several service reps, but I haven't been able to check my contract for that language. I did, however, go through almost all of the signup process online. In the customer service contract online, it makes no mention that Verizon does not guarantee service indoors. So, the reps may be bs-ing me.

Any thoughts?
post #5 of 15
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Originally Posted by magogian12345 View Post
I have a clarification. I haven't been able to look at my verizon wireless contract because I can't find it. The assertion that "Verizon doesn't guarantee indoor service" came from several service reps, but I haven't been able to check my contract for that language. I did, however, go through almost all of the signup process online. In the customer service contract online, it makes no mention that Verizon does not guarantee service indoors. So, the reps may be bs-ing me.

Any thoughts?

Yeah..split the cost of the extender with the fiance!
post #6 of 15
yeah, I dont think your going to get anywhere with that one. its all over the place that they wont guarantee coverage anywhere, and inside is anywhere. I would take the customer serivce tact and try to get a better price on the extender.

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Originally Posted by magogian12345 View Post
I have a clarification. I haven't been able to look at my verizon wireless contract because I can't find it. The assertion that "Verizon doesn't guarantee indoor service" came from several service reps, but I haven't been able to check my contract for that language. I did, however, go through almost all of the signup process online. In the customer service contract online, it makes no mention that Verizon does not guarantee service indoors. So, the reps may be bs-ing me.

Any thoughts?
post #7 of 15
Thread Starter 
What doesn't make sense to me is I'm on the hook for something that used to work properly but doesn't now through no fault of my own.

To take an extreme example, can Verizon legally just shut down all its towers and force everyone to keep paying? If there are under no obligation to provide a particular level of service, then why can't they do that.

That said, the reps did tell me they are obligated to provide service, just outdoor service. So, they do admit some sort of service obligation. I think my opening is that my contract may not contain this "we do not guarantee indoor service" clause. So, they can't legally make a distinction that is not present in the contract.
post #8 of 15
I think you would have more of a leg to stand on if your phone didnt work anywhere. like you moved to an area where verizon didnt provide non-roaming service (and infact if you move out of the country they will let you out of your contract. Sometimes). Basically your saying you should get a pass because it doenst work in your home, when it works fine everywhere else. To play devils advocate, verizon could simply tell you to move. If your going to go the its in the contract route, your going to lose that arguement badly as I am sure that Verizon going on 14 years as a company (and cellphones approaching 30 years) as an industry have their contracts written in such a way that protects them from stuff like this. I worked in the cell industry for 5 years in hs/college and this happened all the time. all you can do is ask nicely (and keep asking) and you might get out of your contract, but I doubt they will as its not their fault. the fact that it used to work and now doesnt is irrelevant, I am sure you are not the first person this has happened to, so I am sure their contract has languge that protects them from that as well.

As an aside, does anyones service work in your house? Who would you switch to? Would they work in your office then? When I used to sell I would always tell people to ask all their friends what works where its important when they would ask. Is your office more important, ask a co-worker who they use. your house? Ask your friends when they come over. Also, are you sure its not your phones (you said they work everywhere else), have you tried other verizon phones in your place?
post #9 of 15
Thread Starter 
Verizon is what I've used for years because "it works." Our phones definitely work other places; we've tried them in several other places repeatedly.

But here is the thing. During the 30-day trial period, I never would have kept this phone if it worked as it did now. And what is ironic is that if you move to somewhere without service, you can cancel without a fee. But I didn't move. I didn't do anything, and now it doesn't work for either of us. It feels that the "trial period" was blatant misrepresentation if you can't rely on the trial period to be a good indication of how the service will operate in the exact same location after it ends.
post #10 of 15
Thread Starter 
I was able to get a hold of my customer agreement. Nothing in the agreement says that Verizon is only obligated to provide outdoor service and that they "don't guarantee indoor service." The reps repeatedly told me that Verizon doesn't "guarantee indoor service," but my contract says nothing to that effect. So, this is making me pretty suspicious of them.

Here are the relevant provisions from the customer agreement:

"Where and How Does Verizon Wireless Service Work?
Wireless devices use radio transmissions, so unfortunately you can't get Service if your device isn't in range of a transmission signal. And please be aware that even within your Coverage Area, many things can affect the availability and quality of your Service, including network capacity, your device, terrain, buildings, foliage and weather."

"Disclaimer of Warranties
We make no representations or warranties, express or implied, including, to the extent permitted by applicable law, any implied warranty of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose, about your Service, your wireless device, or any applications you access through your wireless device. We do not warrant that your wireless device will work perfectly or will not need occasional upgrades or modifications, or that it will not be negatively affected by network-related modifications, upgrades or similar activity."
post #11 of 15
Go for Boost mobile.
post #12 of 15
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Originally Posted by magogian12345 View Post
I was able to get a hold of my customer agreement. Nothing in the agreement says that Verizon is only obligated to provide outdoor service and that they "don't guarantee indoor service." The reps repeatedly told me that Verizon doesn't "guarantee indoor service," but my contract says nothing to that effect. So, this is making me pretty suspicious of them.

Here are the relevant provisions from the customer agreement:

"Where and How Does Verizon Wireless Service Work?
Wireless devices use radio transmissions, so unfortunately you can't get Service if your device isn't in range of a transmission signal. And please be aware that even within your Coverage Area, many things can affect the availability and quality of your Service, including network capacity, your device, terrain, buildings, foliage and weather."

"Disclaimer of Warranties
We make no representations or warranties, express or implied, including, to the extent permitted by applicable law, any implied warranty of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose, about your Service, your wireless device, or any applications you access through your wireless device. We do not warrant that your wireless device will work perfectly or will not need occasional upgrades or modifications, or that it will not be negatively affected by network-related modifications, upgrades or similar activity."




Basically everything you posted says that they are not resposible if it doesnt work. Stop whining and buy the extender.
post #13 of 15
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Originally Posted by nakel View Post
I think that no matter what cellular company you have, you're going to have problems. Problems with service, customer care, billing, ect.

Review on baume & mercier hampton

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post #14 of 15
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Originally Posted by jgold47 View Post
Basically everything you posted says that they are not resposible if it doesnt work. Stop whining and buy the extender.

This^^^!!!
post #15 of 15
I have a friend that this exact same thing happened too. He filed a BBB complaint and Verizon replied that they offered the extender to him. When he called and said no you didn't they offered it to him free of charge.

Could be worth a shot.
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