Is this morally acceptable? [family drama]

What's the problem here? Breaking the law? Or use of mind altering substances?

Interesting, the poll results are split near evenly but everyone who is posting says it's okay.

Anyways, the reason why I posted this is because I'm concerned that the mother isn't any more mature than the average teenager.

For example, she's ALWAYS texting or talking on the phone (including while driving with the kids in the car and while spending bonding time with them). She constantly checks her facebook, at least once an hour. She smokes pot with 20 year olds. She was dating a 20 year old. She threw a keg party while the kids grandmother was out of town for the night (the kids were at their fathers at that time). She ALWAYS needs drama and ALWAYS needs to be everyone's friend, which goes as far as keeping secrets about other people that are very serious and need to be addressed.

Maybe I'm overreacting, but she does not have my respect as a mother.

Originally Posted by Piobaire

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That's very deontological of you.
No, not really. Violating one's obligation to follow rules can also be viewed as consequentially immoral: when individuals only follow laws they like, the effects of laws can no longer be predicted, and laws become useless. That is harmful to those who do follow the law.

Originally Posted by Inficius

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Interesting, the poll results are split near evenly but everyone who is posting says it's okay.

Anyways, the reason why I posted this is because I'm concerned that the mother isn't any more mature than the average teenager.

For example, she's ALWAYS texting or talking on the phone (including while driving with the kids in the car and while spending bonding time with them). She constantly checks her facebook, at least once an hour. She smokes pot with 20 year olds. She was dating a 20 year old. She threw a keg party while the kids grandmother was out of town for the night (the kids were at their fathers at that time). She ALWAYS needs drama and ALWAYS needs to be everyone's friend, which goes as far as keeping secrets about other people that are very serious and need to be addressed.

Maybe I'm overreacting, but she does not have my respect as a mother.

What is your relationship with the woman in question?

Originally Posted by mafoofan

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No, not really. Violating one's obligation to follow rules can also be viewed as consequentially immoral: when individuals only follow laws they like, the effects of laws can no longer be predicted, and laws become useless. That is harmful to those who do follow the law.

**** the Law.

Originally Posted by Fuuma

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**** the Law.

I you.

Originally Posted by texas_jack

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What's the problem here? Breaking the law? Or use of mind altering substances?

Both, really. I do not think it's right for her to lock herself in a room and get high every night while the kids are asleep. I don't think it's right because she's currently living back with her mom. Financially, she should be spending her money towards getting an apartment or towards the kids. I find it hard to believe that she gets enough from childsupport to support both her personal life and the kids, both their present and especially their future.

Originally Posted by MetroStyles

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It's a joke. The reality is a lot more complex than that considering there is a difference between civil disobedience and doing whatever the **** I want.

Originally Posted by Fuuma

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**** the Law.
So, I suppose you don't mind when people break laws they don't like.

Originally Posted by MetroStyles

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Figures.

Originally Posted by Fuuma

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It's a joke. The reality is a lot more complex than that considering there is a difference between civil disobedience and doing whatever the **** I want.
Civil disobedience is an interesting concept, but it is more convincing in the case of disenfranchised citizenry. Pot-smokers get to vote and aren't deprived of any liberties that others are not deprived of.

Originally Posted by Fuuma

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What is your relationship with the woman in question?
Hmm, I'm not to give any hints. I'll admit that I'm not the exhusband and the children are obviously too young to use forums. Of course, it could also be possible that I'm making everything up and am just polling the community on their opinion...

Originally Posted by mafoofan

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So, I suppose you don't mind when people break laws they don't like.

I don't see why anyone would mind if someone breaks a law that doesn't affect anyone else. Such as smoking weed by yourself behind closed doors.

And no, I don't smoke weed.

Originally Posted by mafoofan

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So, I suppose you don't mind when people break laws they don't like.



Figures.

See above posts. Of course ideologically speaking the concept of a morality turned toward "good" is being replaced by the ideology of cool which is rather free with certain types of laws and has a tradition of elevating certain forms of criminal behaviour; something has got to give and it's not gonna be cool considering its meteoric rise as the social currency of choice and mode of interraction at all levels since the 60s.

Originally Posted by Inficius

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Hmm, I'm not to give any hints. I'll admit that I'm not the exhusband and the children are obviously too young to use forums.

Ok then shut the **** up and let her live her life.

Being on facebook, smoking pot or texting people is NOT a problem. Doing so while driving might be though...

Originally Posted by MetroStyles

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I don't see why anyone would mind if someone breaks a law that doesn't affect anyone else. Such as smoking weed by yourself behind closed doors. And no, I don't smoke weed.
It does affect others. By enjoying the liberties and rights of being a resident or citizen, you enjoy the rule of law and benefit from others surrendering their individual discretion to determine which laws "affect anyone else." When you break a law, regardless of whatever it is, you introduce unpredictability into the system, cheapening others' efforts to comply with laws they don't like and disincentiving them from withholding exercise of their discretion in the future.

Originally Posted by Fuuma

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See above posts. Of course ideologically speaking the concept of a morality turned toward "good" is being replaced by the ideology of cool which is rather free with certain types of laws and has a tradition of elevating certain forms of criminal behaviour; something has got to give and it's not gonna be cool considering its meteoric rise as the social currency of choice and mode of interraction at all levels since the 60s.
You lost me. "Ideology of cool?"

are you the father? if not what that she does is is none of your concern. she could be killign stray cats and it would not be you concern, only if she was smoking hash and then driving does it become general concern.