Originally Posted by idfnl
Easy solution to that is not to let it get to the river. When I know I have the best hand on the flop I bet hard. Most, who know the odds, bail. If they are praying for a card the worst thing you can do is make it easy on them by a min bet, pussy bet or worse a check.
There are lots of variables here, type of game, your stack, his, etc - but for me this is a rule of thumb. Occasionally you'll get a tool that bets on whatever he has but the chances he'll hit are small. The objective here is to get, say 5 people, to fold down to 1 or 2. Then you're favorite.
Oh I know. I do this and will get called and this shit happens. I like to bluff quite a bit when I feel weakness around me so maybe that has to do with getting big raises called. Dunno, just appears to always happen to me. I don't think I've played in over a year now.
I remember my first time playing poker against other people besides friends. I hadn't played much but decided to play a $1-$2 table (I think, just remember the max bet was up to $12/person if everyone kept raising) at the Excalibur in Vegas. I get dealt rockets and i think i was on the button. It gets to me with only callers and I max raise. Everyone folds but one buy re-raises. So I do the same, etc. til the max. Flop is shit so I raise, he raises, etc. 4th street and river are the same. So I'm thinking this guy has something since he re-raised my raises since pre-flop to the max. Fucker turns over a 3-5 off suite to hit a straight. I look down at the flop again and see that he wasn't open ended and had to hit runner-runner to hit it and didn't have any pairs, flush draws, etc... I was pissed and gave him a stare down for staying in the whole time with such shit. I was new and only knew how to play but didn't know about no limit. I told my friend afterwards and he told me about the no limit tables. I vowed to never play a limit table ever again. Not exactly the 2 outer i described earlier but I still remember this one as it really pissed me off at the time.
Originally Posted by GQgeek
Play cash games instead of tourneys. Define your bankroll. Pick your stakes. Learn to play at that level. I'm not joking when I say that the game changes signicantly as you change stakes. Even small changes in stakes can give your tables a very different composition that should affect the way you play. Also, if you kept losing money on the turn you were probably not folding enough. Sometimes you have to fold that TP. It's strongest pre-flop. Also, post-flop you want to thin your opposition as early as possible whenever you can. This is easiest when you have position. If you have a decent hand and let people make it to fourth street and they beat you with a gutshot or something, often times, it was probably your fault, especially at low stakes where people play a very straightforward game and don't have much strategy.
Really though, if people at your table are consistently going to the turn, you should be milking that shit cause they are playing with nothing most of the time.
I would play cash games quite a bit because I always did well and won money in cash games. I got pretty good at knowing when to hold em and when to fold em. If I got to the river without making a nice bet to take down the pot, I either lost my bluff, called just to see the other persons hand even though I thought I was beat to get info (only if I could afford to and the pot wasn't big enough), or won. It's just I kept getting knocked out of tourneys or losing a big pot when I made a big raise (usually after making decent to big raises beforehand) when the other person had a 4% chance to hit their card. So I just got over poker.