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post #271 of 296
Thoughts on WSOP 2011?

Heinz is the obvious favorite. Lamb is definitely a real life good player but I don't love him at all. Don't really get some of the adulation.
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Originally Posted by Nouveau Pauvre View Post

Thoughts on WSOP 2011?
Heinz is the obvious favorite. Lamb is definitely a real life good player but I don't love him at all. Don't really get some of the adulation.

2 lucky guys. Imagine playing that many hands of poker and not crashing out.

Heh, won my first poker tournament 2 weeks ago. Won .0005% of what these guys will get but eh.
post #273 of 296
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What did you guys think of the new WSOP format this year? Better than I expected with not showing the cards. Almost prefer it.
post #274 of 296
Derailment, but is there any online real money poker for Americans now?
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Derailment, but is there any online real money poker for Americans now?

sportsbook.ag

I use them mainly for my sports betting, but they run a competent poker application (that needs to be installed) too.

It has the similar games to fulltilt.

I used to deposit using my visa, but now visa (just like the other CC companies) don't allow it... but the western union transfers are actually very easy and they even refund any fees (along with a lot of other bonus promos) if you deposit $200 or more.
post #276 of 296
Merge Network
post #277 of 296
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When are people going to realize online is rife with cheating. Its so easy.

- Setup 2, 3, 40 accounts.
- Setup separate vpns
- Play 1-n players at a table as if you are separate people

OR

- Instant messaging
- Share cards with e/o

Not worth the risk, imo
post #278 of 296
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When are people going to realize online is rife with cheating. Its so easy.
- Setup 2, 3, 40 accounts.
- Setup separate vpns
- Play 1-n players at a table as if you are separate people
OR
- Instant messaging
- Share cards with e/o
Not worth the risk, imo

^play sit an go tourneys, double up tourneys, and heads up tourneys.

play sit and go tourneys. the two table tourneys at the most. the profit margin for cheaters is too small (where the winner typically only gets around 3x, 2nd place 1.5x, and 3rd place 0.8 payouts).

also try out the double up tourneys - where its 10 players and all you have to do is finish in the top five and the tourney immediately ends and you double up your buy in. the double up tourneys are quick and really develop patience plus bluffing techniques.

also always play the turbo speed versions of those tourneys. its just too much work for too little profit margin (if working in teams).

those type of tourneys are just too hard to make a profit off cheating. sure the the last rounds really emphasize luck, but at least proper play is still rewarded where if you play well you'll be right there in the money towards the end.

plus playing turbo heads up really sharpens your feel playing with pure odds.

its the slow full timed cash games that you can be blatantly cheated on.

playing the turbo tourneys properly also will help your live game (be it cash games or tourneys) immensely. also remember there is cheating in live games too. its up to the dealer to figure it out (if they're not in on it) and since the house makes money of the cut of the pot... most of the time the house doesn't give a shit if there's cheating because it profits either way.
post #279 of 296
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^play sit an go tourneys, double up tourneys, and heads up tourneys.
play sit and go tourneys. the two table tourneys at the most. the profit margin for cheaters is too small (where the winner typically only gets around 3x, 2nd place 1.5x, and 3rd place 0.8 payouts).
also try out the double up tourneys - where its 10 players and all you have to do is finish in the top five and the tourney immediately ends and you double up your buy in. the double up tourneys are quick and really develop patience plus bluffing techniques.
also always play the turbo speed versions of those tourneys. its just too much work for too little profit margin (if working in teams).
those type of tourneys are just too hard to make a profit off cheating. sure the the last rounds really emphasize luck, but at least proper play is still rewarded where if you play well you'll be right there in the money towards the end.
plus playing turbo heads up really sharpens your feel playing with pure odds.
its the slow full timed cash games that you can be blatantly cheated on.
playing the turbo tourneys properly also will help your live game (be it cash games or tourneys) immensely. also remember there is cheating in live games too. its up to the dealer to figure it out (if they're not in on it) and since the house makes money of the cut of the pot... most of the time the house doesn't give a shit if there's cheating because it profits either way.

If they are too hard to make a profit off of cheating, then arent they too hard to make a profit on period?
post #280 of 296
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If they are too hard to make a profit off of cheating, then arent they too hard to make a profit on period?

I think most people play poker for the enjoyment of the game. Of course, since I hate losing then I have to win overall and win in most sittings. Even so, making a certain profit per hour or per year is not the reason why I play.

I would add the Matrix poker tournaments to the list which Lawrence mentioned. Full Tilt had these several years ago. BTW I had long since cashed out of Full Tilt before their legal problems. Online poker was profitable for me but it lacks something compared to a face to face game.
post #281 of 296
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I think most people play poker for the enjoyment of the game. Of course, since I hate losing then I have to win overall and win in most sittings. Even so, making a certain profit per hour or per year is not the reason why I play.
I would add the Matrix poker tournaments to the list which Lawrence mentioned. Full Tilt had these several years ago. BTW I had long since cashed out of Full Tilt before their legal problems. Online poker was profitable for me but it lacks something compared to a face to face game.

Agree. Online kills the fun. The fun is outwitting someone and thinking thru how to position yourself for the next showdown, the fun is in the thousands of little things that go into face to face and the self monitoring and control. Online is really only the math and a well timed bluff. Its like the difference of chatting a girl up on IM versus a real date.
post #282 of 296
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Agree. Online kills the fun. The fun is outwitting someone and thinking thru how to position yourself for the next showdown, the fun is in the thousands of little things that go into face to face and the self monitoring and control. Online is really only the math and a well timed bluff. Its like the difference of chatting a girl up on IM versus a real date.

Sorry buddy, you lost me there. I have been married for 27 years and have never chatted up a girl on IM.
post #283 of 296
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Sorry buddy, you lost me there. I have been married for 27 years and have never chatted up a girl on IM.

Ha ha, a phone call then.
post #284 of 296
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

If they are too hard to make a profit off of cheating, then arent they too hard to make a profit on period?

its actually not that hard to turn a profit playing double up and sit and go tourneys.

if you team up during a sit and go tourney it means both (or more if you're even dumber) of the team mates have to at least place to even make a small profit. if one of the team busts out then the profit margin plummets drastically.

during a double up tourney if there is a team you can still play hyper aggressive and at least force the other players into "coin flip" situations. again the same applies - if one of the team busts out then there is almost no profit (if its a team of more than 3) and no profit if its a team of two.

in the two tourney style games above its not that hard to place and make modest profits. but since the payouts are only 3.5:1 1.5:1 1:1 in sit and go and 1:1 in double ups - its a lot of work

there is no better way to learn/apply poker theory than through the benefit fast online games and repetitions involving actual money (not just the zynga apps).
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

Agree. Online kills the fun. The fun is outwitting someone and thinking thru how to position yourself for the next showdown, the fun is in the thousands of little things that go into face to face and the self monitoring and control. Online is really only the math and a well timed bluff. Its like the difference of chatting a girl up on IM versus a real date.

again... playing live games (especially house games but even casinos and card houses) there are lots of times where you'll be cheated on. even if its not blatant signaling/card reading - you're still going to fall victim to soft play/collusion/ect.

i've been at tables full of koreans blatantly talking about what their holding and even russians soft playing each other... you can complain to the dealer/pitboss but more often than naught the offenders will get off with just a warning because the house makes money off the pot not from house odds.
post #285 of 296
Playing live is a pain in the ass, it takes me a few hours to get to a casino (I live in NYC), I'm insanely bored because my opponents are retarded but I only get 30 hands an hour, and the AC crowd really aren't people I want to have a conversation with.

Plus, I can't watch a movie or something while I'm playing at a casino.
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