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post #16 of 31
GFM,

if you are out drinking gin and tonic 3-4 nights a week, a few cigs might be the least of your problems

I'm no prude but maybe if you cut your drinking down to weekends/1-2 nights a week you'll find yourself also smoking a lot less. I've never really smoked cigs, except for a short stint in high school but I do like to smoke cigars when I drink but that does not happen often as there is no smoking indoors in the city and standing outside of a restaurant/bar for an hour or two while I smoke a cigar doesn't make any sense.
post #17 of 31
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Originally Posted by GreyFlannelMan
In June 2005, after 15 years of a pack-a-day habit, I quit smoking. I used the patch, and for a year, I didn't really crave a cigarette. I loved smoking, at least a handful of the cigarettes I had each day. The rest were just a habit.

This past weekend, whilst out drinking, I had a cigarette. And then another. And one more after that. Then I didn't really think about. Tonight, I went out drinking with a friend, and smoked two.

Am I stupid to think that I can just smoke when drinking? I certainly don't want to develop the full blown habit again. (Perhaps I am fooling myslef, since I tend to drink three or four nights a week). But I really do enjoy that evil weed with my beer/gin tonic/ wine.

What are others experiences with this?

I think Malcolm Gladwell in The Tipping Point suggested the tipping point for the 'all' or 'nothing' commitment threshold was 5 or 6 a day.
post #18 of 31
if you went out less often, you could pull it off (i did, for a while) but it's hard. eventually you want more. if you didn't it wouldn't be vice, now would it?
post #19 of 31
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by edmorel
if you are out drinking gin and tonic 3-4 nights a week, a few cigs might be the least of your problems

Good point. Some nights, I'll just have one GT with friends, so I would hate to leave the impression that I am getting hammered every time I go out.

And thank goodness one can't smoke in the the bars and restaurants anymore. I was initially opposed to that Bloomberg law, given my general dislike of government interference in daily life, but it does make it easier to not smoke, and for a much more pleasant experience overall.

Thanks all for your comments.
post #20 of 31
Honestly, what is there to like about smoking? I smoked half a pack a day for a summer when I was thirteen (it was something to do) and quit when I left my cousins cottage. I just can't understand people that say they enjoy smoking. It gives you cancer and makes you smell like shit all the time. In fact, when I'm around a smoker, I think to myself "I hope you die of cancer soon so that I don't have to smell you or your stinky fucking cigarettes anymore." Some perspective from a non-smoker

I'm so happy they've finally banned it from restaurants and clubs in Quebec. I've had to go vomit in the bathroom because there was so much smoke and my body just couldn't handle it.
post #21 of 31
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Originally Posted by Tokyo Slim
read my post again...


...pack a day plus.
Aha, but have you ever tried to quit?
post #22 of 31
I was a pack-a-day smoker for about 7 years before I quit about three years ago. I quit cold turkey (hard as hell). Recently, I've been willing to smoke when I get drunk (not when I just have alcohol, but when I'm getting well and truly smashed). This has been fine for the last few months, and hasn't led to a relapse, but that's because I actually get smashed about once a month at most. If it was once a week or so, I think it would be all downhill. Regardless, I'm keeping VERY close tabs on myself. If I ever start to crave a cigarette when I'm not drinking, I'm cutting myself off again completely. It's a very slippery slope.

My advice: buy a pack on the night you go out, directly before you go out, so that you're not That Guy who's bumming cigarettes all night. But at the end of the night, no matter how many cigarettes are left in that pack, give the pack away. Either to a friend who smokes, to the random stranger at the bar with whom you were good-naturedly arguing/trading tall tales/commiserating about troubles with women/etc, or in addition to the tip if the bartender looks to be the smoking type, or even just to a pretty girl (without a boyfriend) in the corner. But whatever you do, do not go home with that pack of cigarettes. If you do, it's over.
post #23 of 31
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Originally Posted by GQgeek
Honestly, what is there to like about smoking? I smoked half a pack a day for a summer when I was thirteen (it was something to do) and quit when I left my cousins cottage. I just can't understand people that say they enjoy smoking. It gives you cancer and makes you smell like shit all the time. In fact, when I'm around a smoker, I think to myself "I hope you die of cancer soon so that I don't have to smell you or your stinky fucking cigarettes anymore." Some perspective from a non-smoker

I'm so happy they've finally banned it from restaurants and clubs in Quebec. I've had to go vomit in the bathroom because there was so much smoke and my body just couldn't handle it.
It gives you a buzz. It gives you something to do at a party rather than standing around awkwardly. When you can't satisfy the large desires in your life, you can always satisfy that little need for nicotine, and satisfaction of any kind is a good feeling. Plus, I don't mind the smell. I actually enjoy it. It's funny, I have a friend who doesn't smoke (yet), but his parents do, so whenever he smells smoke it's comforting and reminds him of home.

I should mention that I don't smoke cigarettes (again, yet), simply because I know I would love them. However, I have been cold-turkey on dip for two months, so I can sort of relate.

To me, what makes it hard, after the physical addiction has past, is the way that it sneaks up on you. You just find yourself thinking, hey, you know what would be nice right now? A can/pack. The key is not to kid yourself into thinking that just one doesn't matter.
post #24 of 31
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Originally Posted by GreyFlannelMan
Am I stupid to think that I can just smoke when drinking?

Is it stupid to think that a heroin addict can just shoot up when drinking? Or that an alcoholic can just drink when smoking?

You are a nicotine addict, and your situation is no different that the two scenarios that I posed above. I speak from first-hand knowledge (have been nic-free for 5 months) but I have had many caves due to the "just one" lie. Today it's "just one" while drinking etc. and a month from now you'll be back to you pack a day habit. My advice would be to stop now before the nic-bitch gets her claws back in you.
post #25 of 31
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Originally Posted by j
Aha, but have you ever tried to quit?

I try not to quit.
post #26 of 31
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Originally Posted by Jodum5
Sorry to go off topic but how do you pronounce Gauloise? I forget.

Pretty hard task for a German to describe in American phonetics how a French word should be pronounced, but I guess it would have to be like "go - lo - waz".
post #27 of 31
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Originally Posted by Tokyo Slim
This comes from someone who smokes a pack plus a day, ...

Oh dear. I´m sorry TS. That´s the result of superficial reading. I probably got too distracted by lighting up.
post #28 of 31
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Originally Posted by tbabes
Is it stupid to think that a heroin addict can just shoot up when drinking? Or that an alcoholic can just drink when smoking?

You are a nicotine addict, and your situation is no different that the two scenarios that I posed above. I speak from first-hand knowledge (have been nic-free for 5 months) but I have had many caves due to the "just one" lie. Today it's "just one" while drinking etc. and a month from now you'll be back to you pack a day habit. My advice would be to stop now before the nic-bitch gets her claws back in you.

I have no idea if this is true, but I've read/heard that breaking a nicotine addiction is harder to than kicking heroin. Given what I know about heroin withdrawal (and being an ex-smoker), I would think that this is unlikely. But apparently the 'mental' component of the nic addiction is tougher to beat than the physical craving for smack...
post #29 of 31
Supposedly there is a Japanese "energy beverage" that contains Caffeine, Nicotene, and Alcohol.

Supposedly engineered to help the Japanese workers keep longer hours.

It may be an urban legend, but I'm convinced that if there is such a thing, it exists in Japan.
post #30 of 31
"Only quitters quit."

I wish I was a quitter. When I first started smoking, about a year ago, I didn;t see the addictiveness of it. But, now, a year later I wish I had quit back then. Even though I don't have any health problems(yet) I still wish I had quit. I've gone from a pack every week or so to a pack a day almost. And every time I've quit, whether it be for two days or two weeks, I always seem to smoke more when I start again. The only reason I start again is because of those social occasions. A cigarette with beer is living the american dream I suppose. But either way, I wish I kicked the habit when I first started. Just tonight I stumbled upon this
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Cigarette, cigar, and pipe-smoking are so debilitating that the immediate cessation of the habit is always the first step of any program to improve one's health - even more important than vitamins, diet, or exercise.
International studies of millions of people by government, industry, universities, and private research institutions have determined that smoking can cause:

stained teeth, fingers, and hair;
increased frequency of colds, particularly chest colds and bronchitis;
asthma;
neuralgia;
gastrointestinal difficulties, constipation, diarrhea, and colitis;
headaches;
nausea;
convulsions;
leukoflakia (smoker's patch);
insomnia;
heart murmur;
Buerger's disease (inflammation of blood vessel linings);
shortness of breath;
arthritis;
smoker's hack;
nervousness;
wrinkles and premature aging;
tension;
gastric, duodenal, and peptic ulcers;
lung cancer;
cancer of the lip, tongue, pharynx, larynx, and bladder;
emphysema;
high blood pressure;
heart disease;
artherosclerosis & arteriosclerosis (thickening and loss of
. elasticity of the blood vessels with lessened blood flow);
inflammation of the sinus passages;
tobacco angina (nicotine angina pectoris);
pneumonia;
influenza;
pulmonary tuberculosis;
tobacco amblyopia;
impared hearing;
decreased sexual activity;
and mental depression.


Blood flow to the extremities is decreased (cold hands and feet). One puff lowers the temperature in the fingertips 1ºF to 3ºF in 3 minutes.

Nicotine affects the nerve-muscle junctions, causing tremors and shaking. Nicotine causes narrowing and constriction of the arteries, adding to the heart's load. Nicotine, through its ability to stimulate, causes excitement and anxiety. But the effect wears off, often a period of depression follows, whereupon another cigarette is taken. Nicotine, an insecticide, makes the blood more viscous and decreases the available oxygen. It also adversely affects the breathing, sweating, intestinal, and heart actions of our autonomic nervous system, probably due to hindering the blood flow to the nerve centers in the brain.

Two to four cigarettes in a row increase blood fats 200 to 400%. The average smoker (30 cigerettes per day) has 4 to 6 times the chance of having heart disease if he's in the 45-54 year age group.

If the mother smoked during pregnancy, her baby will average 6 ounces less and its pulse will be 30% faster than a non-smoker's baby, and there'll be withdrawal symptoms in the baby after birth. Premature birth has been related to smoking by the mother. There is a direct link between parents' smoking and children's respiratory disease.

Smoking causes widespread permanent destruction of the tiny air sacs (alveoli) and narrowing of small blood vessels in the lungs, decreasing the oxygen supply, requiring a higher blood pressure, thus causing extensive circulatory problems and premature heart attacks. Smokers have difficulty running and exercising.

The cilia are tiny, delicate, hairlike coverings on the thin membrane of the surface of the lungs and trachea that, by means of their whipping, beating action, produce an upward current of foreign material and mucus from the lungs which is then swallowed or expectorated. This is the way the body cleans the lungs. This delicate lung-cleaning mechanism, in a cigarette smoker, at first paralyzes, then deteriorates, and is eventually made inoperative, through the complete destruction of the cilia. The smoker then must resort to coughing as a lung-cleaning method. This isn't efficient, and more than a cupful of tars will have accumulated in his lungs by the time of his premature death.

Air pollution (auto exhausts, industry wastes, etc.) increases the lung cancer rate of the smoker, but not of the non-smoker. Apparently, the lung-cleaning cilia are alive and working for the non-smoker.

The time to recover from any specific ill, whether caused by smoking or not, is much longer for the smoker. Often, a non-smoker will survive a sickness from which he would have died had he smoked.

The non-smoker has no need to spend money to buy cigarettes, matches, lighters, holders, ashtrays, or to spend a dime a mile for that special trip to the store. Just the cigarettes alone amount to an average of $250 per year, after taxes - wasted. Add another $250 if the spouse smokes. This is hard-earned, after-tax, money of yours, used to pay for the above smoking paraphernalia - plus tax! (Please note: these are 1971 figures.)

By dying earlier, the smoker will lose many tens of thousands of dollars in social security and other benefits which will naturally end up in the pockets of the non-smoker. The cigarette tax is more money from the smoker to the non-smoker.

The smoker is sick more often, explaining why he misses an average of 7½ work days per year, usually with a loss of pay, while the non-smoker will miss only 4½ days.

The smoker must spend valuable time looking for ashtrays, cigarettes, matches, retail stores, vending machines, or change for these machines. He experiences displeasure if they aren't immediately at hand. Just the process of deciding on "which brand" wastes vast amounts of mental, physical, and financial resources.

The overall bad health of the smoker results, on average, in a decrease of 8.3 years in his life expectancy, or about 12 to 14 minutes per cigarette. Just in lost social security income alone, this amounts to about a 5¢ a cigarette. The actual cost of each cigarette when you include extra medical expenses, lost pay, etc., is of the order of 25¢ per cigarette (1971 figures).

Just the extra medical expenses alone can be expected to eventually use up all of a smoker's hard-earned savings, already depleted by the high cost of smoking. By the time non-smokers get sick, Medicare will foot their medical bills.

The smoker's body requires more sleep every night. This extra sleep must come from his spare time. Besides needing more sleep, smokers don't sleep as well.

Smoking destroys vitamins, particularly vitamin C and the B's. Smoking has induced cancer in dogs. Insurance rates can be higher for smokers. Some 100,000 doctors stop smoking every year.

Foods will taste much better to non-smokers. Many subtle flavors and aromas will be savored if your nasal and oral senses are freed of the effects of harsh chemicals, coal tars, and other combustion products. How long has it been since you've experienced the smell of fresh-cut grass or the delicate taste of lobster from Maine or Nova Scotia?

Other disadvantages of smoking: You must always carry cigarettes and matches; your pockets bulge - or there's less space in your purse; smelly breath; smelly house; smelly clothes; messy rugs and furniture, often burned; cigarettes lying around for kids to smoke (and matches to light); you're a bad influence on kids; you're held in low esteem by your kids and your friends (even your smoking friends); the inside of your home and auto windows need cleaning more often; death or property loss due to smoking in bed.

Some 120 persons have died in two airline crashes that have been attributed to ashtray and lighter-fluid fires. Cigarette smoke collects with lint and is known to gum up delicate mechanisms such as aircraft controls.

Smokers get into more auto accidents due to being less alert, having slower reflexes, and also due to fussing around while driving (lighting up, etc.). In Czechoslovakia it's illegal to smoke while driving. Accident-proneness has been related to smoking.

A non-smoker would have to put on an additional 150 pounds in order to increase his mortality rate to that of an average smoker.

The fact that the tobacco industry provides work, that wouldn't exist without it, is a myth. The money now wasted on tobacco, if diverted elsewhere, would create a wealth of new job openings in industries producing goods and services more useful to the society than cigarettes.

Smoking makes a person irritable and argumentative, partially due to a subconscious knowledge of all of the above facts. Smoking has been related to brain damage and premature senility.

A smoker needs much more food and sleep since nicotine makes his body work harder and less efficiently and his heart beat faster, thus using more fuel and energy. This, together with the fact that a smoker loses much of his appetite and his taste for food, explains why smokers have less trouble keeping their weight down. When one quits smoking, it's IMPERATIVE that the intake of food is drastically reduced in order to keep the body weight normal. Having to eat less is of course an additional saving of time and money.

Wouldn't it be nice if everyone quit smoking? There'd be less general litter, no more butts, ashes, or wrappers in the streets, grass, urinals, etc.; no more smoke in restaurants, theaters, airplanes or buses; a more alert society, with more spare time to enjoy or improve their lot in life; fewer auto, plane, on-the-job, and household accidents; fewer forest fires; less air pollution; lower auto and life insurance rates; and fewer people coughing and spitting in public. By inflicting smoke on your non-smoking friends, it's been shown that even THEIR health and life expectancy are adversely affected.

Notice how many of your friends have quit smoking in the last 5 years. They're the smart ones (and you know it). Lower intelligence has been related to smoking. In fact, smoking is both a cause and an effect of lower intelligence, just as smoking is both a cause and effect of lower income. The (smoking)-(lower-intelligence)-(lower-income)-(more smoking) vicious circle can unknowingly spiral a brainwashed young person down and down into the depths of poverty and despair. He'll not be as physically or mentally able to cope with life's challenges. Our successful capitalistic system is based on competition, and the physically-mentally handicapped smoker inevitably ends up at the bottom of the heap. So get smart, today, now, and join the happy, healthy ranks of the non-smokers.


Quitting the Filthy Habit

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The smoker's body cells have become addicted to nicotine, and to quit smoking won't be easy, since withdrawal symptoms can be expected. Here are some helpful tips that might ease the quitting process:
If you're a light smoker, you should quit immediately, only moderately shocking your system.

The heavy smoker should allow two weeks for cutting down, then quit completely. An extended cutting-down period only prolongs the pain. Prepare for an agonizing month or two, though you might get off easily. The close family must give up, too, at least in your presence. It'd of course be best if the whole family quit at once. The pain and agony you'll suffer can be relieved completely in most persons by taking vitamin C to bowel tolerance. That means to take as little as one gram or as many as fifty grams (50,000 milligrams) every day until you reach the point of liquid diarrhea, then decrease the amount until your stools are normal. But "normal", for many smokers, means frequent constipation. Stools must always be soft, never, ever, necessitating any straining.

If anti-smoking drugs help (Nikoban, Bantron, Pronicotyl), good, but be prepared to find they won't. Vitamins C and B1 and tranquilizers often help to decrease irritability and other withdrawal symptoms.

After eating don't sit down. Take a walk instead. Try to avoid situations that you associate with smoking, such as sitting in your favorite chair, particularly after dinner. Try to avoid situations that are conducive to smoking, such as bars, meetings, and boredom. Don't invite smoking friends over during the critical first few months. Never, anytime, let them smoke in your soon-to-be smell-free home. In fact, after you've quit for a few months, you'll notice how your clothes still have a strong residual smell of an ashtray. It may be necessary to clean or clear away every source of that smell, usually from carpets and clothes. Then get ready for a new life of clean lungs and great health. Your non-smoking friends won't avoid you anymore now that you no longer smell like an ashtray.

When you get that urge to smoke (and you will), drink some water. If that doesn't work, suck a prune and keep the pit in your mouth for an hour. Try the buddy system: phone a friend who's also trying to quit. Think of the satisfaction of not having given in to that filthy urge. Think how bad you'll feel if you do give in. Think about how your cigarette money helps support those hypocritical tobacco companies whose income is derived at the expense of the health, wealth, happiness, efficiency, and resources of the addicted smoker.

Keep this sheet with you at all times, and re-read it when necessary, to refresh your memory of all the ugly disadvantages of smoking, and all the advantages of not smoking.

Try to avoid calories, but if you find that substituting food for cigarettes helps you give up smoking, then by all means have an apple, gum, beef jerky, or a prune. If at all possible, exercise a bit every day, especially when you get the urge to smoke. It's a good substitute, and you'll find that exercising comes much easier as a non-smoker.

After giving up, that filthy urge may remain for several years, so don't start again. Some people are lucky in that after a few months the thought of smoking makes them sick. But don't bank on being lucky.

Cigarette displays, cigarette ads, cigarette machines, anything having to do with smoking, must be looked upon in your mind as existing only for those poor unfortunates who are addicted to that filthy habit.

Life's too good and too short to waste on that filthy habit.
You don't have to read that. It's long and boring. And I don't beleive a lot of it btu it could be true you know.

The only times I really crave a cigarette is when I know I have a few in my car or room but I can't smoke them. If I'm broke or don't have any for some reason I can go without. It's weird.

Go with Camel Turkish Golds. I mean don't smoke.
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