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post #1621 of 1926
Wanted to congratulate both Angel Cabrera and Adam Scott. What a finish to the Masters. Great play from both and my heart almost broke for Angel when the putt missed by an inch. Great competitors and great sportsmanship between the two.



No golf for me until next weekend, though I was invited to play at Bethpage today. Too bad I'm sore as hell from yesterday's Spartan Race and hungover this morning...
post #1622 of 1926
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Originally Posted by hopkins_student View Post

This is false. The push-draw occurs with a club face that is delofted relative to the pull-fade. The push-draw ought to go farther.

Let me ask you, which one, of those two shots, you think will go higher?

On the other hand, what a Masters this was. Unbelievable, I couldn't decide for whom to root for.
post #1623 of 1926
Double post, sorry.
post #1624 of 1926
The pull-fade will go higher than the push-draw. For mid- and short-irons, the decreased loft will increase distance. For most players that is probaly not true for long-irons.
post #1625 of 1926
Well, my friend, in fact the push-draw will have a higher trajectory. Since you will have to open the club face to push the ball. If some of you want some more info look in TheSandTrap and search for the threads of some guy called iacas.
post #1626 of 1926
I was really pulling for Cabrera. Scott can take that broom handle putter and shove it up his ass.
post #1627 of 1926
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Originally Posted by salisboss View Post

I read you both loud and clear. I was just gonna try everything although that my plane is a big issue. It is costing me distance. Off the tee I out drive my normal partners by 30-40 yards but I have to take an extra 1-2 irons on par threes. I hope practice and continued weight loss helps with my swing.

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Good luck. Keep us posted.
post #1628 of 1926
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Originally Posted by Betelgeuse View Post

And also, a push-draw and a pull-fade should go the same distance when hit flush with the same club. Yes I know I'm going against what a lot of players say, but physics are physics and you can't battle those.

"but physics are physics and you can't battle those."

Haha. This is funny.

Let me try one out. "A fastball goes the same speed as a curveball. Yes I know I'm going against what a lot of pitchers say, but physics are physics and you can't battle those."

Two things:

1) The conditions that produce the draw are different from those that produce a fade, and thus there is no reason to believe they should result in the same distance. Just because the club is going through the ball at the same mirrored angle doesn't mean everything else is the same. The type of swing that produces a draw tends to have a more closed face and less steepness, producing a less glancing blow, and imparting more energy into the ball.

In my analogy, a curveball can go slower, faster, or the same speed as a fastball, but they're different throwing motions, and they don't necessarily result in the same velocity.

2) Saying something that depends on bajillions of different undefined variables, and then saying "physics is physics" after it in order to try to make it sound true is funny.

FYI, I'm being lighthearted about this... no biggie or anything
Edited by archetypal_yuppie - 4/15/13 at 6:57am
post #1629 of 1926
Hey guys, grip it and rip it, ok?
post #1630 of 1926
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Originally Posted by archetypal_yuppie View Post

FYI, I'm being lighthearted about this... no biggie or anything

 

No problem. This is like the never ending discussion about "eating clean" or "fitting your macros". Some threads some of you might find interesting.

 

Shaping the ball: http://thesandtrap.com/t/61391/shaping-the-ball

 

F=ma and Bad Science: http://thesandtrap.com/t/65754/f-ma-and-bad-science

 

Salisboss, this might be interesting for you.

The Biggest Secret? SLIDE your hips: http://thesandtrap.com/t/29616/the-biggest-secret-slide-your-hips

 

post #1631 of 1926
So I played my first round on Monday for my birthday.

A couple really good items: I played just like Tiger Woods for much of the round (meaning I missed close putts), I only need to work on one thing (everything) and I had fun. In all honesty, my front 9 was like all my other golf--awful. On the back 9 i had maybe 5 or 6 shots that could be considered legitimately bad. The others weren't like, phenomenal or nothing but I at least had something I could work with during the round. Played in less than three hours. Still can't get out of a bunker to save my life.
post #1632 of 1926
Also: I have literally no idea what any of you guys are saying.
post #1633 of 1926
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Originally Posted by edinatlanta View Post

Still can't get out of a bunker to save my life.

If you're really having trouble with bunkers:

-Relax

-You don't need to modify your swing too much. Make sure you follow through (break your wrists).

-Pretend you're hitting a 50-yard normal sand wedge shot, without trying to pick the ball off the sand. The result will be a 10-20 yard shot out of the sand.

Once you get used to this working, and build confidence, you can start opening the club face, fine tuning softer swings, slicing through it, etc. But the above will get you out of the trap. Normal 50-yd swing, on the same path under the ball as you would on the fairway.

Also the worst thing is to back-off or decelerate, out of fear of going to far. Then you'll surely eff up and be stuck in the bunker. Take consolation in knowing that you'll be out, even if you go too far. So commit, and swing through it, breaking your wrists as you would for a normal shot.

Obviously, practicing this in a practice bunker would be ideal.
post #1634 of 1926
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Originally Posted by edinatlanta View Post

So I played my first round on Monday for my birthday.

A couple really good items: I played just like Tiger Woods for much of the round (meaning I missed close putts), I only need to work on one thing (everything) and I had fun. In all honesty, my front 9 was like all my other golf--awful. On the back 9 i had maybe 5 or 6 shots that could be considered legitimately bad. The others weren't like, phenomenal or nothing but I at least had something I could work with during the round. Played in less than three hours. Still can't get out of a bunker to save my life.

Check out any videos by Gary Player on bunker play, what that little South African doesn't know about sand aint worth knowing.

Also you can practise during a round, as long as you are not holding up play, it isn't actually kosher to drop a ball in a bunker after you putt out and have a practice, but if you are not holding up play or if you are not playing a comp no one will give a toss.
post #1635 of 1926
Went to the range to work on the hip slide and I found myself either hitting way behind the ball (dipping rear shoulder) or hitting really thin and low. This will take much more practice and I will probably take some lessons also. One interesting thing I noticed was that when I play my ball further back in my stance I can't get my hips turned as well. I know not exactly novel but by moving the ball forward I could reduce the fade/push/slice. Thanks for the tips.

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