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post #1606 of 1926
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Originally Posted by salisboss View Post

94 today (par 65) fell apart on the back nine. Got really out of sorts when I passed the foursome ahead of me. I rushed for a few holes when I would have sped away at my normal pace. Thanks for the sand wedge tips. Got to work on it but those 50 yard and pitches worked better. My current big problem is that my irons tend to fall to the right (only 5-10 yards so not a big slice) but it makes getting near the pin or landing on the green difficult.

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Early season, but we haven't had much good news in this thread recently, we need to get some inspiration going, someone like whiteslashasian to post about tearing it apart.

If you are fading the ball rather than slicing it I wouldn't be worried too much just go with it, most good golfers have a natural shape, and it is far easier to hit a long iron accurately with your natural shape than trying to hit it dead straight. Even Nicklaus played a fade (of course that was by choice and he could play other shapes if he wanted) Your short irons however should not be deviating very much at all. If you are hitting a 5 iron 5 yards right that is a fade but if it is a 9 iron you have problems.

If you are actually slicing, I would recommend taking a video of your swing and checking that you are not swinging outside/in. This is generally the problem with most slice shots rather than any issue with face alignment. The face can be perfectly square at impact but if you swing outside/in you drag the face of the club across the ball imparting sideways spin.
post #1607 of 1926
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Originally Posted by salisboss View Post

94 today (par 65) fell apart on the back nine. Got really out of sorts when I passed the foursome ahead of me. I rushed for a few holes when I would have sped away at my normal pace. Thanks for the sand wedge tips. Got to work on it but those 50 yard and pitches worked better. My current big problem is that my irons tend to fall to the right (only 5-10 yards so not a big slice) but it makes getting near the pin or landing on the green difficult.

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Sounds that your swing path is the problem, is your ball starting on target?
post #1608 of 1926
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94 today (par 65) fell apart on the back nine. Got really out of sorts when I passed the foursome ahead of me. I rushed for a few holes when I would have sped away at my normal pace. Thanks for the sand wedge tips. Got to work on it but those 50 yard and pitches worked better. My current big problem is that my irons tend to fall to the right (only 5-10 yards so not a big slice) but it makes getting near the pin or landing on the green difficult.

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Sounds that your swing path is the problem, is your ball starting on target?

Yeah that is what's weird. It starts at the target and at the top it will just start right on the way down.

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post #1609 of 1926
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Yeah that is what's weird. It starts at the target and at the top it will just start right on the way down.

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And I guess that a ton of people are telling you: "close the club face to avoid that"? Terribly sorry mate, but in fact your club face is square at impact, 85% of where the ball it going to go its because of the clubface, the other 15% is the swing path. So your swing path is indeed, from out to in. If you close the club face, you should get a nice pull-fade.

It's hard to fix a swing path but not impossible. Try to slide your hips forward, that would change the swing plane. This is not me giving the advice, it's science, it's been proved, of course there are always people that don't believe it, but the results are there. Search for Stack and Tilt videos, don't try to do the swing they propose, but that hip slide, some videos explain it very good.
post #1610 of 1926
Yes as I said most slices are a swing plane issue not a club face issue, but I'm not sure the hip slide advice is going to do anything if you haven't seen his swing. There are a number of drills that can help correct an outside in swing. A good one is two place three balls on a line 45 degrees to the target line the two outside balls forming a gate through which you hit the middle ball. If you are swinging outside in you can not avoid hitting the further ball. As you get better bring the balls closer together creating a smaller gate.

post #1611 of 1926
I am in the process of losing a lot of weight so I do think swing plane will change. I will try to close up the face. Thanks for all of the assistance.

Off to the range.

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post #1612 of 1926
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Originally Posted by Fang66 View Post

Yes as I said most slices are a swing plane issue not a club face issue, but I'm not sure the hip slide advice is going to do anything if you haven't seen his swing. There are a number of drills that can help correct an outside in swing. A good one is two place three balls on a line 45 degrees to the target line the two outside balls forming a gate through which you hit the middle ball. If you are swinging outside in you can not avoid hitting the further ball. As you get better bring the balls closer together creating a smaller gate.


If he were bringing his hips forward and up, he wouldn't be hitting a slice, he would be hitting a smooth push-draw. I used to have the same problem, until I found this. Plus with this hip slide, weight is going to be more to the left (if he is right handed) and passing the lower point of the arc a few inches in front of the ball. smile.gif
post #1613 of 1926
My recommendation would be to not worry about the fade. Just try to hit the ball consistently, and then you can manage it.

A fade is a very manageable flight path. It also tends to correspond with swinging down through impact, which in turn corresponds with good contact, backspin, high ball flight, and being able to stop the ball on the green. All of these are just fine.

I hit a slight draw with my low irons but intentionally fade long irons to get more carry & control. Hooks suck the most.
post #1614 of 1926
"You can talk to a fade, but a hook won't listen." -Lee Trevino
post #1615 of 1926
Yes that what's old school golf have said. Plus yes a hook is a mess, a push-draw is different. And also, a push-draw and a pull-fade should go the same distance when hit flush with the same club. Yes I know I'm going against what a lot of players say, but physics are physics and you can't battle those.
post #1616 of 1926
Played my 3rd full round of the year. Wasn't great at all. Had 20-30mph winds all day. It was rough. Shot 47-39. Highest I've shot in about 2 years or so. Back 9 was solid only had one hiccup with a double bogey. Ready for things to start greening up, though, luckily, my home course's greens are already beautiful.
post #1617 of 1926
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Originally Posted by salisboss View Post

I am in the process of losing a lot of weight so I do think swing plane will change. I will try to close up the face. Thanks for all of the assistance.

Off to the range.

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I think you have missed the point Betelgeuse and I have been trying to make, it is likely not a problem with the face, it is probably a swing plane issue.

And as archetypal_yuppie says, if it is a fade not a slice then you are better off living with it and just trying to hit the ball consistently. The only worry I would have is if it is costing you too much yardage, if not then a high fade will help you stop the ball on the green anyway.
post #1618 of 1926
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Originally Posted by Betelgeuse View Post

Yes that what's old school golf have said. Plus yes a hook is a mess, a push-draw is different. And also, a push-draw and a pull-fade should go the same distance when hit flush with the same club. Yes I know I'm going against what a lot of players say, but physics are physics and you can't battle those.

Not once the ball hits the turf.
post #1619 of 1926
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Originally Posted by salisboss View Post

I am in the process of losing a lot of weight so I do think swing plane will change. I will try to close up the face. Thanks for all of the assistance.

Off to the range.

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I think you have missed the point Betelgeuse and I have been trying to make, it is likely not a problem with the face, it is probably a swing plane issue.

And as archetypal_yuppie says, if it is a fade not a slice then you are better off living with it and just trying to hit the ball consistently. The only worry I would have is if it is costing you too much yardage, if not then a high fade will help you stop the ball on the green anyway.

I read you both loud and clear. I was just gonna try everything although that my plane is a big issue. It is costing me distance. Off the tee I out drive my normal partners by 30-40 yards but I have to take an extra 1-2 irons on par threes. I hope practice and continued weight loss helps with my swing.

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post #1620 of 1926
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Originally Posted by Betelgeuse View Post

And also, a push-draw and a pull-fade should go the same distance when hit flush with the same club.
This is false. The push-draw occurs with a club face that is delofted relative to the pull-fade. The push-draw ought to go farther.
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