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post #121 of 1873
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Mrs. Piob and I were debriefing tonight. I told her, 40 years of harder, faster, stronger is hard to overcome, but my golf instructor has it totally correct. Lighter flex than what my upper body might call for that leads to correct swing mechanics. Relaxed and easy = success. Trying to muscle it = failure. Maybe a few years from now I can combine both, but for now, relaxed and easy
Amen. For some reason, after playing golf on and off for the better part of 12 years, this finally clicked for me the past week. I'm not putting a death grip on the club and am just letting gravity, momentum and the club do the work; as a result, I'm hitting my driver straighter -- and way further (bombed a few 270+ yard drives the past few rounds...I'm only 5'7") -- than ever. I still don't trust myself as much with my irons though, since I feel that being too loosey-goosey on them will result in hitting it fat or thin, since I'm not trying hard enough to hit down on the ball. I figure I just need more time on the range with them to ingrain the idea that swinging easy with irons is OK. Fuck, I'm in golf withdrawal already. I've played 5 rounds in the past 4 days but am not playing tomorrow. I wish I was. This thread is awesome though, just for sharing experiences and tips.
post #122 of 1873
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Great day at the range and very productive. I figured out my pattern. Two-three good shots, I get my confidence up, then I try and rip it. This usually results in a thin shot, as I raise my head, trying to unleash like a hurricane. Won't get out until Friday but now I will step away and reset after a couple of good shots. I figure I won't fall into this pattern on the course, as you're not just standing there banging balls.
post #123 of 1873
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Originally Posted by leftover_salmon View Post
88 today -- new personal best (beating out a few 89s from last year).

sweet, 89 is my lowest.... SO FAR!!
post #124 of 1873
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Watching the Muirfield tournament. Tiger just used a six iron from the tee box for a 201 yard hole. Landed the ball within feet of the pin. Now, I know distance is not his specialty, but the guy that teed off before him used a five iron, and landed it within feet of the pin too. Looking at club/distance charts, those guys are incredible ball strikers.
post #125 of 1873
Yes. All of them are ridiculous strikers, but part of the reason for some of those distances is that I think they tweak their clubs to have lower lofts than what us regular Joes use. They are using 6 and 7 degree drivers to our 8 and 9s. etc.
post #126 of 1873
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Yes. All of them are ridiculous strikers, but part of the reason for some of those distances is that I think they tweak their clubs to have lower lofts than what us regular Joes use. They are using 6 and 7 degree drivers to our 8 and 9s. etc.
If by tweak you mean deloft at impact, then yes, but I'm pretty sure they don't use strong lofted clubs.
post #127 of 1873
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Yes. All of them are ridiculous strikers, but part of the reason for some of those distances is that I think they tweak their clubs to have lower lofts than what us regular Joes use. They are using 6 and 7 degree drivers to our 8 and 9s. etc.

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If by tweak you mean deloft at impact, then yes, but I'm pretty sure they don't use strong lofted clubs.

It also has a little bit to do with clubhead speed at impact which is significantly higher for a pro than for a good amateur.
post #128 of 1873
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post
Watching the Muirfield tournament. Tiger just used a six iron from the tee box for a 201 yard hole. Landed the ball within feet of the pin. Now, I know distance is not his specialty, but the guy that teed off before him used a five iron, and landed it within feet of the pin too. Looking at club/distance charts, those guys are incredible ball strikers.


Pio - Just remember they usually swing at about 90% most times. For every club in the bag they have that extra 10% if they need it.
post #129 of 1873
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Originally Posted by Mark from Plano View Post
It also has a little bit to do with clubhead speed at impact which is significantly higher for a pro than for a good amateur.
Sure, though I would bet that the efficiency of strike, the angle of the club on the ball etc is more different than the speed.
post #130 of 1873
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If by tweak you mean deloft at impact, then yes, but I'm pretty sure they don't use strong lofted clubs.

yup that's what i meant.

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Originally Posted by Mark from Plano View Post
It also has a little bit to do with clubhead speed at impact which is significantly higher for a pro than for a good amateur.

good golfers drive through the ball and let the club do the work. plebes try to pick the ball up off the ground.
post #131 of 1873
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post #132 of 1873
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Originally Posted by bdeuce22 View Post
Yes. All of them are ridiculous strikers, but part of the reason for some of those distances is that I think they tweak their clubs to have lower lofts than what us regular Joes use. They are using 6 and 7 degree drivers to our 8 and 9s. etc.

You've got each wrong.

Most tour pro's iron sets are weaker throughout the bag.As example,most would use a ~48* PW,whereas most sets made for hacks would have a PW with loft of ~ 46*.Good players start at a preferred loft/distance for a LW and work backwards--leaving specific gaps.

Drivers are tweaked with the ball and shaft to get an optimum launch/carry/spin combination.Most would use a driver with between 9* and 10* of actual loft.A few would go as low as 8.5*.Few,if any, players on tour use anything lower.
post #133 of 1873
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good golfers drive through the ball and let the club do the work. plebes try to pick the ball up off the ground.

^What I've been doing lately, has REALLY helped with everything.

I've been striking through the ball with my driver which has helped to mitigate mis-hits, turning them into slight fades or draws when they do happen. It has really helped to improve accuracy as well. I've never hit my 3 iron better.

Now I just have to work on my short game.
post #134 of 1873
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yup that's what i meant. good golfers drive through the ball and let the club do the work. plebes try to pick the ball up off the ground.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post
When I do that, I do not keep my head level (it goes up on the backswing and is clearly visible on the video he takes) and then I make inconsistent contact with the ball. He's really working on the "just swing the club and let the ball get in the way" type philosophy.
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^ Like the shoes. What brand? Foot Joy? Nice stop at the range today. Dialing in the new 7 iron nicely. It's all about just swinging through the ball.
Lesson today. Review of swing then start work on putting.
post #135 of 1873
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Originally Posted by iammatt View Post
Sure, though I would bet that the efficiency of strike, the angle of the club on the ball etc is more different than the speed.

Of course all are important, but if we're strictly talking distance, a lot of the differentiation is that longer hitting professionals are able to generate enormous clubhead speed while at the same time delivering the club in the proper position at impact. For example, the average amateur has a clubhead speed in the low 80's, the average scratch player or professional probably gets into the lower 100's. Tiger Woods and his ilk deliver the clubhead to the ball at around 125mph. Instantly he's got a 40-50% or so advantage in force.

Remember that we're only talking about what generates distance here. The same clubhead impact at 90mph will obviously not hit as long a shot as if it were at 125mph. However, a more efficient (i.e. better) golf swing will also, typically, allow for an increase in clubhead speed.

When Nicklaus was just starting to play as a kid, his teacher taught him to hit the ball as hard as he could and worry about direction later.

THIS IS HORRIBLE ADVICE FOR ANY ADULT LEARNING TO PLAY THE GAME AND WILL DO NOTHING BUT SCREW YOU UP. However, if you're looking for the reason why pros generate more distance, it's simple physics of force. They have trained themselves to make a really hard swing at the ball, smoothly and efficiently. Paradoxically, the best way for most people to increase clubhead speed over time is to focus not on clubhead speed, but on a smooth and efficient swing that stays on a simple plane. If you eliminate elements of the swing that are inefficient, you actually increase the force, without increasing the effort and you do so on a plane that keeps it in control as well.
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