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post #31 of 33
As Pennglock points out above, except for added firepower (with the attendant extra weight), I am not sure you are really much better protected with that device than an ordinary tubular magazine combat shotgun--pump or auto.

A lot that was suspicious and sounded like hype in that video. The designer says almost all the parts are stainless steel so it needs almost no lubrication. Well, isn't that interesting? The mechanism absorbs almost all the recoil? Amazing nobody thought of that before. I wonder how heavy that thing is. I suspect that's the major reason why it didn't jump around more in full auto.

Full auto in hand held weapons is rather overrated, I think. My old mentor Tom Siatos, who was in some of fiercest fighting in the Pacific, including Tarawa and Okinawa, said one of the first things he learned was to always keep his Thompson on semi-auto. Craig Boddingdon once remarked to me that he saw no use for full auto on anything that wasn't on a bipod or tripod. I can't claim a lot of experience with full auto, but I did attend a submachine gun course at Front Sight and have some experience with light machine guns.

The claim that finned device extends the shotgun's range out to a hitherto unheard-of 175 meters reminds me of the time I killed a fair-sized wild sow at a laser-measured 183 yards with saboted shotgun slug, a 20-gauge no less, from a rifled barrel slug gun. I wouldn't have taken such a long shot had she not already been wounded.
post #32 of 33
It's a great weapon (and kicks ass in call of duty I might add) but it's still a niche type of weapon. It has basically no use as an all around firearm for survival because, like all shotguns, its range is very limited. I'd stick with my SAR-1.
post #33 of 33
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Originally Posted by crazyquik View Post
The typical engagement range in the military is far outside the range of a shotgun. Even in the CQB of Iraq, there was a mix of 'room clearing' operations (where something like this is idea) and street battles, where it would be occasionally useful. As a result, you sometimes saw pictures of guys carrying an M4 and a shotgun.


I've always wondered why the KAC Masterkey concept did not have more uptake. You would think for room clearing and breaching operations it would be nice to have a short 12 gauge unit under the main M4/M16. Need to breach a door? Put a breaching round in the Masterkey, pop off the lock, throw a flashbang in the room and enter/clear using the M4.

Edit: I mention the mag-fed shotgun concept because reloading a tube is slow as hell. The last IDPA shotgun match I attended was 200 rounds total. My buddy taped us doing each stage and each time I paused to shove seven rounds in my Benelli M1 was agony. I'm not a "gamer" so I don't have those speed-feed tubes but I would think a mag would improve reload time considerably.
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