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post #166 of 253
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post
I don't have the equipment to spot the barbell and I am worried about doing barbell squats alone.

I use the barbell for deadlifts and rows.

I don't know what your goals are, but if gaining mass is one of them, unfortunately that will mean joining a gym or finding a place with a squat rack you can use. I have tried EVERYTHING to get out of using the rack since I have a bench and powerblock dumbbell set at home, and wanted the convenience of doing all my exercises privately at my house.
post #167 of 253
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At the same time yeah, but the knees shouldn't go forward. Imagine you are standing right in front of a wall when you squat. Or better yet, actually stand in front of a while and squat (w/o bar of course) to get your form down.
Well, as was mentioned above they have to go forward somewhat, usually a couple/few inches past the toes. Look at the image on the front cover of SS:
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You have to lean forward to balance yourself --- the barbell needs to be over the center of your foot. The knees should move out to the final positions (somewhere over the toes) by 1/3-1/2 of the way down, and maintain that position to the bottom and up again. There are two reasons for this: 1. You don't induce tendonitis in your groin area. Believe me, this is no fun at all. 2. You recruit the hamstrings more actively, so you train them more, and you can move more weight. If your knees slide forward at the bottom of the squat, you will release tension in the hamstrings, so they cannot be used to help you get up again, and they are not trained as intensely. These two things are covered in SS in more detail. --Andre
Yes, just read the same thing. Rippetoe recommends getting all forward movement of the knees out of the way as early in the squat as possible.
post #168 of 253
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post
I don't have the equipment to spot the barbell and I am worried about doing barbell squats alone.

I use the barbell for deadlifts and rows.

Those are valid concerns. I'm not sure there is a good substitute for a squat if you don't use a barbell. It sounds like you've plateaued on the dumbbells already.

--Andre
post #169 of 253
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Originally Posted by javyn View Post
I don't know what your goals are, but if gaining mass is one of them, unfortunately that will mean joining a gym or finding a place with a squat rack you can use.

If I had Manton's wardrobe ($) this wouldn't be at the top of my priorities!
post #170 of 253
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post
I don't have the equipment to spot the barbell and I am worried about doing barbell squats alone.

I use the barbell for deadlifts and rows.

perfectly undrestandable, but it does have limitations.
post #171 of 253
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Originally Posted by javyn View Post
Yes, I use dumbbells for everything except squatting. If I could get away with DB squatting, I would, but there is just no substitute for a back squat in the rack, nothing even close.

Moving to an apartment complex with a free gym with a power rack was the best move I ever made re: exercise.

+1. when traveling I am always looking for gyms with squat racks, it is pretty much the only specific thing that I look for in a gym.
post #172 of 253
Thanks, dcg but I'm well aware of SS. I just got the videos on squatting and deadlifting the other day, and watched the squatting one last night.

The book is great, but the videos help seeing it in action.
post #173 of 253
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Originally Posted by globetrotter View Post
+1. when traveling I am always looking for gyms with squat racks, it is pretty much the only specific thing that I look for in a gym.

Yeah my complex only has one rack, but that's all good because everyone at the gym only seems to work the glamor muscles heh. I've seen the pins in the rack in the exact same position and the same weights I used on the bar from a week earlier when I go to the gym sometimes.

Everyone looks at me weird too, because I go straight to the rack when I get there, do my 3x5, and leave.
post #174 of 253
I am never going to join a gym so if it can't be done at home it won't be done.

As noted earlier, I don't want to become kunk. I also don't want to become kwilk (no h8 ). I just want to A) not die young and B) be able to wear my clothes into old age. That's it.
post #175 of 253
I'll second everybody's recommendation for squatting with the bar, but for completely different reasons - I don't like the dumbbell squat (assuming you're holding them down by your sides) as I think it creates odd shoulder and upper body angles throughout the movement. At heavy weights its an upper back killer. If you're building yourself a home gym Manton, why not mount two large hooks onto the wall and use that as a temporary "rack"?
post #176 of 253
actually, as an alternative might I suggest a kettlebell? if you are working out at home, and with the goals you have mentioned, a kettlebell would be an excellent choice.
post #177 of 253
Earlier in the thread, someone suggested ass to grass - as a point, I wouldn't suggest necessarily aiming for that on a low bar back squat which is what Rippetoe and most powerlifters use. In a high bar back squat (Olympic squat) where the torso is more vertical, you can get that low without messing up the biomechanics too much.
post #178 of 253
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post
I am never going to join a gym so if it can't be done at home it won't be done. As noted earlier, I don't want to become kunk. I also don't want to become kwilk (no h8 ). I just want to A) not die young and B) be able to wear my clothes into old age. That's it.
Honestly, you aren't just going to blow up into kunk. If you eat reasonably around maintenance you wont really put on much mass at all, you'll just be doing some re-compositioning (made up word?) of your body. edit: Or give Goblet Squats a try http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKmrXTx6jZs
post #179 of 253
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Originally Posted by globetrotter View Post
actually, as an alternative might I suggest a kettlebell? if you are working out at home, and with the goals you have mentioned, a kettlebell would be an excellent choice.
This, I love my kettlebell. If I'm not mistaken, "ass to grass" means going below parallel, not bouncing your tailbone off the floor. I have been squatting incorrectly for a while now going way too low, thinking lower the better. After I watched Rippetoe ream out a few of his students for doing the same thing, I'm going to try just below parallel next time, although breaking habits is hard to do. Goblet squats look neat, but I don't see how you can hold much weight at all, even less than cleaning the dumbbells to your shoulders, what he's already doing. Probably the best alternative is pistols, bodyweight yes, but you're only using one leg at a time.
post #180 of 253
I am not worrying about becoming kunk. My point is that, since my goal is not to become kunk, a lot of advice about how to do the best squat won't really apply to me. I don't need or want to be a super squatter. I just don't want to be dead, fat or too spindly.
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