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post #151 of 253
I don't know if my form is right or wrong. All I know is that can barely do 80 pounds with dumbells, 5x5. I mean, it is way hard. 1.5x my body weight seems not merely impossible but preposterous.
post #152 of 253
^ As a casual/ non-competitive lifter, as long as there is consistent progress, you don't need to be too fixated on the numbers quoted by others.
post #153 of 253
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Originally Posted by upnorth View Post
^ As a casual/ non-competitive lifter, as long as there is consistent progress, you don't need to be too fixated on the numbers quoted by others.

I am making marginal progress with other lifts, but none with squats.
post #154 of 253
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post
I don't know if my form is right or wrong. All I know is that can barely do 80 pounds with dumbells, 5x5. I mean, it is way hard. 1.5x my body weight seems not merely impossible but preposterous.
Manton, you'd be surprised how using a bar rather than dumbbells completely changes things. Squatting holding dumbbells puts the focus on your quads, whereas the bar puts it on your ass and hamstrings. Also, grip strength, and the discomfort of dumbells pressing against your shoulders (I'm assuming you clean the bells to your shoulders and hold them there) can both be limiting factors. Try squatting in a power rack, you'll probably be surprised how much you are able to do. In short, dumbbells = front squat barbell = back squat (unless you're holding the bar in front of you rather than behind you of course)
post #155 of 253
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Originally Posted by Mr Herbert View Post
i have starting strength and disagree with his squat style, and imagine it would bore anyone not seriously interested in strength training

Why's that?
post #156 of 253
Yeah, why Herbert? I have been working out for years spinning my wheels and I didn't actually see results until I adopted Rippetoe's form, and they came pretty immediately.

I'm only a few weeks into SS, but I expect to hit my bodyweight squatting next month if my gains stay consistent.
post #157 of 253
What does everyone stance look like when they squat? My legs are shoulder width apart and toes pointing out about 30 degrees. I've been following Rippetoe's squat videos on youtube, and my knees are starting to feel weird. For instance if I'm sitting down and put my hand over my knee and straighten out my knees I can feel things rubbing against each other, or if I am walking they feel loose. I'm starting to get concerned.
post #158 of 253
Dunno, I'm not a strength coach (and am still a weakling) but can offer the obvious tips, Are you squatting low enough? If you aren't below parallel you'll stress your knees. Also, when you squat down, your knees should not move forward at all, rather, your ass should move out. Probably explaining that terribly.
post #159 of 253
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Originally Posted by javyn View Post
Dunno, I'm not a strength coach (and am still a weakling) but can offer the obvious tips,

Are you squatting low enough? If you aren't below parallel you'll stress your knees.

Also, when you squat down, your knees should not move forward at all, rather, your ass should move out. Probably explaining that terribly.

I have seen some coaches recommend this, but not Rippetoe. He suggests the knees and ass move at the same time.
post #160 of 253
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Originally Posted by javyn View Post
Dunno, I'm not a strength coach (and am still a weakling) but can offer the obvious tips,

Are you squatting low enough? If you aren't below parallel you'll stress your knees.

Also, when you squat down, your knees should not move forward at all, rather, your ass should move out. Probably explaining that terribly.


I don't see how this is possible at all. If your knees are over your ankles, and the weight is over your ankles how would you not fall over considering that the rest of your body would be behind your ankles?

Edit: I think you meant when initiating the movement, not throughout. my bad
post #161 of 253
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Manton, you'd be surprised how using a bar rather than dumbbells completely changes things.

+1. I can't imagine doing anywhere close to my highest weight with dumbbells, nor with form anywhere approaching correct for a low back squat. Some upper body muscle will probably give out well before the muscles you're supposed to be training with the squat will from holding the dumbbells in place. With a barbell, it's basically gravity holding the weight in place.

I'd really try to find a barbell with an adjustable power or squat rack (the safety pins should be movable up and down, so if you can't stand up again, you can put the barbell down) to do squats properly.

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Originally Posted by RedLantern View Post
If your knees are over your ankles, and the weight is over your ankles how would you not fall over considering that the rest of your body would be behind your ankles?

Edit: I think you meant when initiating the movement, not throughout. my bad

You have to lean forward to balance yourself --- the barbell needs to be over the center of your foot. The knees should move out to the final positions (somewhere over the toes) by 1/3-1/2 of the way down, and maintain that position to the bottom and up again. There are two reasons for this:

1. You don't induce tendonitis in your groin area. Believe me, this is no fun at all.

2. You recruit the hamstrings more actively, so you train them more, and you can move more weight. If your knees slide forward at the bottom of the squat, you will release tension in the hamstrings, so they cannot be used to help you get up again, and they are not trained as intensely.

These two things are covered in SS in more detail.

--Andre
post #162 of 253
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post
I don't know if my form is right or wrong. All I know is that can barely do 80 pounds with dumbells, 5x5. I mean, it is way hard. 1.5x my body weight seems not merely impossible but preposterous.

I second the idea of trying with a barbell. it will make it easier to get more weight.

don't worry about how much you can do - do your best, each of us is built differently, do as well as you can and don't hurt yourself.
post #163 of 253
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I have seen some coaches recommend this, but not Rippetoe. He suggests the knees and ass move at the same time.

At the same time yeah, but the knees shouldn't go forward. Imagine you are standing right in front of a wall when you squat. Or better yet, actually stand in front of a while and squat (w/o bar of course) to get your form down.
post #164 of 253
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Originally Posted by globetrotter View Post
I second the idea of trying with a barbell. it will make it easier to get more weight. don't worry about how much you can do - do your best, each of us is built differently, do as well as you can and don't hurt yourself.
Yes, I use dumbbells for everything except squatting. If I could get away with DB squatting, I would, but there is just no substitute for a back squat in the rack, nothing even close. Moving to an apartment complex with a free gym with a power rack was the best move I ever made re: exercise.
post #165 of 253
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Originally Posted by globetrotter View Post
I second the idea of trying with a barbell. it will make it easier to get more weight.

I don't have the equipment to spot the barbell and I am worried about doing barbell squats alone.

I use the barbell for deadlifts and rows.
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