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Schott 141 and shorter folks?

post #1 of 15
5/18/10 at 11:30am
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Hey All,

I don't have a Schott dealer near me to try one on and see how it looks...So basically the question is for a Schott 141 - Cafe Racer Style jacket that is roughly 26" long from neck to bottom hem would work for a shorter person that is roughly 5'6"?



Where is the ideal point for where a cafe racer should sit? If I figured it right, this jacket would sit roughly right at/below the bottom of the fly of my jeans...they should ideally sit between your hip and waist right?

Thanks,

Bob
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post #2 of 15
5/18/10 at 12:16pm
26" is way too long for you, it's too long for anyone below 6 foot something. A cafe racer should be somewhere around your beltline, maybe just a tad below if you're conservative and a bit above the beltline if you want it to look like a biker jacket and want a more stylish silhouette - remember this is a motorcycle jacket and should not bunch or dig in when seated. At 5'6", you should be looking at like 21" front/23" back length, and that's on the long side, you could go as far as 19/21 if you were wanting a cropped motorcycle jacket look.
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post #3 of 15
5/18/10 at 1:12pm
The 641 is a closer fit, though it still may be too long for a true café racer look. Schott does have an online MTM program if you really want a Schott...
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post #4 of 15
5/19/10 at 12:38pm
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post
26" is way too long for you, it's too long for anyone below 6 foot something. A cafe racer should be somewhere around your beltline, maybe just a tad below if you're conservative and a bit above the beltline if you want it to look like a biker jacket and want a more stylish silhouette - remember this is a motorcycle jacket and should not bunch or dig in when seated. At 5'6", you should be looking at like 21" front/23" back length, and that's on the long side, you could go as far as 19/21 if you were wanting a cropped motorcycle jacket look.

Thanks!, you confirmed my suspicions...I saw a size 38 Schott 141 in brown on ebay and was considering it....but guess I'll just wait around till I see something that is between 21-23 in length...

In the event there is someone who wants it...its going for 92 bucks now (minus the lining though)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=350354309058
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post #5 of 15
5/19/10 at 12:48pm
It depends really. If you actually ride a motorcycle, the shorter jackets WILL ride up and expose your lower back to the road in the event of a crash. I'm just under 5'10", and my Vanson (~23), is shorter than I want in a true riding jacket. I'm actually considering the 141 for its extra length.
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post #6 of 15
5/19/10 at 2:23pm
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Originally Posted by Stylin-1 View Post
It depends really. If you actually ride a motorcycle, the shorter jackets WILL ride up and expose your lower back to the road in the event of a crash. I'm just under 5'10", and my Vanson (~23), is shorter than I want in a true riding jacket. I'm actually considering the 141 for its extra length.

Reading more on this topic, it appears the disadvantage of it being long (in the front) when riding, is that it will most likely curl up/be uncomfortable/stabbing your junk/etc...However if you get thrown off I guess thats nothing compared to having your lower back unprotected...
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post #7 of 15
5/20/10 at 12:50pm
just got measurements from Schott regarding the 641. It's a 25.5" back length. Also got measurements from British Motorcycle Gear about their Montana jacket. It's 23" long. But it has 25" sleeves. I'm 5'5"-5'6". Could a tailor hem the sleeves, or is that going to just cause one big expensive mess?
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post #8 of 15
5/20/10 at 1:22pm
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Originally Posted by steviecakes View Post
just got measurements from Schott regarding the 641. It's a 25.5" back length. Also got measurements from British Motorcycle Gear about their Montana jacket. It's 23" long. But it has 25" sleeves. I'm 5'5"-5'6". Could a tailor hem the sleeves, or is that going to just cause one big expensive mess?

Yes, you can have a tailor do the sleeves, but it's going to be expensive and a bit complicated. They'll have to rebuild the zippers and place them higher. But given how long these jackets last, I think that it's worth it to have the proper fit.

Here at the store, we sell a ton of 641's. It has a great fit in the shoulders and chest. As impolyt_one said, it is a longer fit in the body than the usual cafe racer, but most of my customers like that. I've definitely sold it to guys around your height. I think that it looks great on them - but the look is different from the usual waist-length cafe style. The quality and finish is phenomenal - especially for the price.

The 141's fit is a lot different. It's a true motorcycle jacket with thick leather and a fairly boxy fit. If you're looking for something to ride in, then this might be a more practical choice as it's tougher and can take a zip-out liner. But even sizing down won't give you a slim jacket - it's still going to be a bit bulky.
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post #9 of 15
5/20/10 at 8:09pm
Also are the arm sleeves baggy on the 141? 641 arms looks nice.
I don't consider the 641 as a true riding jacket, it has seams on the back which is why it's cheaper.
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post #10 of 15
5/20/10 at 9:18pm
Also how slim are you? All the newer Schotts I have tried on seem to be cut to fit a typical "American" figure, so if you're on the slender side it probably won't fit you very well.
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post #11 of 15
5/20/10 at 10:55pm
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Yes, you can have a tailor do the sleeves, but it's going to be expensive and a bit complicated. They'll have to rebuild the zippers and place them higher. But given how long these jackets last, I think that it's worth it to have the proper fit.

Here at the store, we sell a ton of 641's. It has a great fit in the shoulders and chest. As impolyt_one said, it is a longer fit in the body than the usual cafe racer, but most of my customers like that. I've definitely sold it to guys around your height. I think that it looks great on them - but the look is different from the usual waist-length cafe style. The quality and finish is phenomenal - especially for the price.

The 141's fit is a lot different. It's a true motorcycle jacket with thick leather and a fairly boxy fit. If you're looking for something to ride in, then this might be a more practical choice as it's tougher and can take a zip-out liner. But even sizing down won't give you a slim jacket - it's still going to be a bit bulky.

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Originally Posted by entrero View Post
Also are the arm sleeves baggy on the 141? 641 arms looks nice.
I don't consider the 641 as a true riding jacket, it has seams on the back which is why it's cheaper.


I'm confused here. Are you guys referring to the 654 casual racer? The 641 is identical to the 141, except that it's made of steerhide. The 641HH is horsehide.

http://www.schottnyc.com/products/men/
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post #12 of 15
5/20/10 at 11:08pm
Just double checked, indeed EP sells 654.
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post #13 of 15
5/20/10 at 11:13pm
Ok, I guess the 654 is lighter and not really a true riding jacket. I think it does fit a little slimmer though, and I kind of like the lack of chest pockets. Does look a little cheaper with the back seam.
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post #14 of 15
5/26/10 at 2:11pm
I am having this exact same issue regarding the 141. I would highly suggest you shoot an email to Gail at Schott. She told me that a short guy like me will swim in the arm length of anything over a size 40, but the taper of the 141 means the size 40 will not fit properly at the waist. I may have to find something else when I know I really want the 141.
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post #15 of 15
5/26/10 at 2:58pm
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Originally Posted by Bob01 View Post
Reading more on this topic, it appears the disadvantage of it being long (in the front) when riding, is that it will most likely curl up/be uncomfortable/stabbing your junk/etc...However if you get thrown off I guess thats nothing compared to having your lower back unprotected...

Not only that, a real riding jacket should be slightly longer in the back because most spine protectors (not the standalone ones) don't extend to the very bottom of the jacket. I like Vanson's riding jackets for this reason because many of them feature a "dipped" back panel, which extends the bottom of the back panel slightly downward so you get more coverage.

Have you considered the Vanson armored Comet as an alternative? Schott jackets are not armored so that's a big minus; further the Vanson can be custom-made for you if you have the cash. The only difference in styling is that the Vanson has two "eyebrow" pockets but if you're going custom you can ask them to remove one (or both).
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