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Originally Posted by Bhowie View Post
He is President Clinton, just not Mr. President.
Bill Clinton is currently (and for the rest of his life) neither. The USA has only one President in office at any given time. Addressing Bill Clinton as 'President Clinton' is not appropriate since he left office. Only the current US President has this title, and that man is President Barrack Obama. To call Bill Clinton 'Mr President' is not only wrong, it diminishes the title of the current serving President. Mainstream media is primarily to blame for wrongfully mis-using titles and mis-informing the people. There is protocol that should be followed. That protocol is set by government, and not by mainstream media. When the events of September 11, 2001 (9/11) unfolded, Former US President Bill Clinton visited the WTC site, CNN (and others) were covering this live at the time. As Mr. Clinton walked among the people to the World Trade Centre site, a woman approached him and said, 'Mr President, what should we do?' Mr. Clinton responded, 'I am not the President anymore. George Bush is the President now.' and kept walking.
post #17 of 27
^Not quite right. Mr. President is reserved for the incumbant, but Presidents retain the title after they leave office. Bill Clinton would still be refered to as President Clinton. The formal rule is that they revert to the title they held prior to president, so Govenor Clinton or Govenor Bush, Or for the Elder Bush reverting back to his days as directer of the CIA, so Director Bush. That rule makes pretty much no sense since they don't hold those positions still either, and it's been ignored by everybody (including at official functions) since Eisenhower. The convention used by the US government now is to retain the title, but does not retain the styling. In short, yes, he is President Clinton, but Mr. President refers exclusivly to President Obama right now.
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Originally Posted by Roikins View Post
Midnight blue is perfectly fine; it's the only color one I own and use. The shawl lapel also is not a big deal, because having been to a few DC black-tie events, I can tell you a lot of people will be wearing ill-fitting jackets with notch lapels and more than 1-button.
Funny that you mention the fact that some many will be in ill-fitting, incorrect jackets. I was unable to attend the same event last year but when I went in 08, Steve Wynn, owner of Wynn hotels and proud member of the Forbes 400 list was the guest of honor. He was wearing a 2 button notch with a yellow/gold tie and cumberbund combo. You would think someone worth 2-5 billion (depending on when Forbes checks up on you) and an entertainment empire at his fingertips would have access to the worlds best tailors or at least a stylist that knew how to dress him up. I would figure owning all those casinos would require a lot of black tie dinners....maybe I am wrong.
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Originally Posted by Man Of Lint View Post
Just a technicality perhaps, but important; protocol allows only for the person currently serving the post (Obama) to be addressed directly as 'Mr. President' (or subjectively as 'The President Of The United States Of America') Bill Clinton's title now is 'Former U.S. President' or 'The Former President Of The United States Of America'. When addressing him directly, please do so as 'Mr. Clinton' Should you introduce him to guests, please do so as, 'Ladies and gentlemen, the Former President Of The United States Of America, Bill Clinton.' If possible, compliment Mr. Clinton on his shoes and inquire as to what brand does he wear. Better yet, (he will be flanked by personal security) ask permission for a photo together, but get those shoes in the photo. Hope your evening is most pleasurable.
I am under the impression that he is still called President Clinton, just not Mr. President. If I were to introduce him it would be "Bill Clinton, the forty second president of the United States". I am not going to be introducing him to anyone though, I am not that important by any stretch of the imagination. I think the MC for the event is Joe Mantegna, so he will be the one to introduce President Clinton. I will try to get a photo op for sure, my Aunt is one of the event directors so I am hoping she can work some magic. The shoes and the dinner jacket will be reported on for sure, and hopefully in the photo. Thanks, I am sure it will be an amazing event.
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There is no black-tie event at which a shawl collar is not appropriate. I mean, peak lapels were once adopted for propriety in front of women, but that was pre-war. We're talking over a century. I would keep the cummerbund black--there's no sense in messing with this formula. I checked the photos, and I'm pretty sure Daniel Craig was wearing a black cummerbund. Black satin is so reflective that it tends to photograph as greyish.
I think people are saying in the traditional sense peaks are more formal than a shawl but both are appropriate. Personally I like both equally for different reasons, the shawl reminds me of someone who has the ability to stand out while blending in. The peak to me is just classic and evokes power and style. I found more photos also and it seems black to me as well, the one where it looks grayish must have been taken in daylight or with a strong flash that washed it out. I think it will be best to stay black as well, being that the jacket facings and the wool have a slight contrast due to the navy vs. black satin effect.
post #19 of 27
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I am going to be entering the world of lobbying and also grad and law school in the near future

Grad AND Law School?
Why would you do this to yourself?
post #20 of 27
Pics or this isnt real
post #21 of 27
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Originally Posted by w.o.e.is.me. View Post
Grad AND Law School?
Why would you do this to yourself?

Future paydays and the fact that the combo of that education coupled with 2 undergrad degrees can take you anywhere you want to go in life.

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Pics or this isnt real

I am picking the tuxedo and shirt up from the tailor Thursday and I will snap some pics of the outfit to see what people think. I will also get pics at the event on my camera and taken professionally. The Clinton pic is not for sure, I am going to try my best to get it though.
post #22 of 27
Just because it says black tie dose not exactly mean the color bacl it just means to wear a tux, so yes it is perfectly acceptable for you to wear a midnight blue tux. I often like when men do something a little diffrent then the usualy monkey suit yet staying true to the nature of the event.
post #23 of 27
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Originally Posted by Johnny24 View Post
Hello all,

I am new to the forum as a poster but I have been lurking for good while now, and this is my first thread.

I am attending a black tie dinner in DC in two weeks, the guest list is highly exclusive and President Clinton is the guest of honor. I will be presenting a scholarship award on stage in my late Uncle's honor along with his stepson. I have done this event once in the past and I rented a tuxedo at the time (black, peak lapel, one button) and used my own tuxedo shirt with stud holes, a black cumberbund, a black self tie bow tie and black and sliver stud set.

This time around I opted for buying my own tuxedo, I went the vintage route because I love the look of midnight blue; I found one in a shawl collar non-vented design from the late 40's-early 50's. It is a pretty handsome tuxedo and I was lucky that it needed very little tailoring for fit, and just few minor alterations for looks (switched out the plastic buttons for black satin to match the facings). I wanted to add satin turnback facings to the cuff's but I have not found a tailor in Baltimore or DC that is able to do the work, but even without that addition the tux is pretty smart.

I am wearing my satin self-tie bowtie, white silk braces (which won't be seen anyway), tailored fly-front, french cuff shirt, cuff links that belonged to my late Uncle that are silver, with black onxy and mother of pearl (they were his lucky cuff links), and pair of highly polished black calf Ferragamo Newland cap-toe bals, a white pocket square, and possibly a red remembrance poppy (we are also honoring a number of people who lost their lives in Iraq).

I chose the fly-front shirt because this is the last time we are giving away the scholarship in my Uncle's name and wearing his lucky cuff links is my private way of honoring him in a way that only my Aunt, who gave them to me, would really notice. I could not find a matching stud set so I figured it best to cover the buttons as I hate the exposed look on mother of pearl buttons.

My biggest issue is cumberbund choice....I don't want to wear a waist coat because of the heat and the fact that I feel a cumberbund is a better option for shawl collar. I could use my black cumberbund that I already own but I was thinking of a silver or gray satin model as another option. Please do not suggest maroon (I hate that look). I have seen it said that "matching sets" are a faux pas, even in plain black tie and cumberbunds but, I feel the midnight blue suit offsets the other black satin enough that this a rule that I could get away with bending a bit, even more so with a white pocket square.

I rarely look to celebrities for black-tie correctness, but Daniel Craig wore an amazing midnight Tom Ford tuxedo to the Oscars in 2009, aside from the chunky Omega divers watch he did everything correctly it seemed, and I believe he had a gray cumberbund. If I wear to venture into the colored realm it would only be for a gray or silver as I want to look very subtle yet well pulled together.

I feel I have most of this outfit ticked in the right boxes, but what would some of you do for the cumberbund?

Its nice to that at least one Broadneck High alum knows which questions to ask. Cheers...
post #24 of 27
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Originally Posted by Johnny24 View Post
Future paydays and the fact that the combo of that education coupled with 2 undergrad degrees can take you anywhere you want to go in life.

This is a very real thing called "over-educated." Pick a focus and do it well. People are not generally impressed with career students. My $.02.
post #25 of 27
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Originally Posted by LesterSnodgrass View Post
This is a very real thing called "over-educated." Pick a focus and do it well. People are not generally impressed with career students. My $.02.

Agreed. I don't understand the appeal of grad and law school... To me it just connotes indecisiveness . This is also coming from a current law student.
post #26 of 27
Interested in pics of the tuxedo.

Try not to sweat to death. D.C. is murder in July.
post #27 of 27

Just curious, where did you get your midnight blue tux? Vintage store or retail? 

 

I ordered the jcrew navy tux, peak collar. Though I really like it, I was aiming for a midnight blue shawl collar and have had a hard time tracking one down anywhere. Just moved out of D.C. to Austin, Tx. Getting married this summer. 


Thanks,

Andrew

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