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Journalist gets kicked out of Manhattan restaurant

post #1 of 116
5/11/10 at 3:10pm
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A blog post from Mark Bittman's Bitten blog on the NYTimes website. Basically, journalist Ron Lieber (writes personal finance columns for the Times) was asked to leave a Manhattan restaurant after walking into the kitchen and berating the chef who was repeatedly and rather loudly dressing down one of the waiters.

Nothing like an NYTimes comment section for some good passive aggressive back and forth.

Who would you have smacked upside the head had you been there?
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post #2 of 116
5/11/10 at 3:12pm
The NYT journalist!
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post #3 of 116
5/11/10 at 3:14pm
Chef is a douchebag for screaming-- give me a break. It's fucking 2010. Have some professionalism for Christ's sake.
Journalist is a douchebag for stepping into the kitchen and even thinking about saying a word to the chef.
Everyone who commented on that page is a douchebag for obvious reasons.
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post #4 of 116
5/11/10 at 3:16pm
Dude, if I'm in a restaurant I don't want to hear the chef dressing down his employees. Smack the fucking chef please. i'm not sure how the journalist handled it (we are lacking details) but I assume it would have been better to go in, tell him you can't support what he is doing then leave.
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post #5 of 116
5/11/10 at 3:18pm
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Dude, if I'm in a restaurant I don't want to hear the chef dressing down his employees. Smack he fucking chef please.

but I would love to hear KWilk getting ripped a new one while the somm caters to my Didier thirst.

any other situation, get the hell out of the kitchen, go in back, then get your yell on. I don't want to hear that shit.
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post #6 of 116
5/11/10 at 3:20pm
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but I would love to hear KWilk getting ripped a new one while the somm caters to my Didier thirst.

any other situation, get the hell out of the kitchen, go in back, then get your yell on. I don't want to hear that shit.

Well it's also about not letting a hman being treat another human being like that. If you do it in my face i'd like to think I'll step up and tell you to go fuck yourself.
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post #7 of 116
5/11/10 at 3:20pm
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post
Dude, if I'm in a restaurant I don't want to hear the chef dressing down his employees. Smack the fucking chef please. i'm not sure how the journalist handled it (we are lacking details) but I assume it would have been better to go in, tell him you can't support what he is doing then leave.

The blog post (sorry, not obvious link) is pretty detailed. That's more or less what he did, except he went back to his table and expected to finish his meal.

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Chef is a douchebag for screaming-- give me a break. It's fucking 2010. Have some professionalism for Christ's sake.
Journalist is a douchebag for stepping into the kitchen and even thinking about saying a word to the chef.
Everyone who commented on that page is a douchebag for obvious reasons.

What would you do as a diner? Mention something to the GM? Just leave?
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post #8 of 116
5/11/10 at 3:21pm
I'm ok withthe chef yelling at the staff "in the interest of making everything perfect" provided he is not disturbing his customers. However, the chef had obviously failed at "making it perfect" by making his customers uncomfortable - the comfort of the guests should have been the most important thing here. This guy failed, big time.

That being said, the writer shouldn't have walked into the kitchen, he should have walked out the door.
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post #9 of 116
5/11/10 at 3:25pm
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I'm ok withthe chef yelling at the staff "in the interest of making everything perfect" provided he is not disturbing his customers. However, the chef had obviously failed at "making it perfect" by making his customers uncomfortable - the comfort of the guests should have been the most important thing here. This guy failed, big time.

That being said, the writer shouldn't have walked into the kitchen, he should have walked out the door.

You're ok with the chef bullying his employees unless you hear it? Cool.
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post #10 of 116
5/11/10 at 3:26pm
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but I would love to hear KWilk getting ripped a new one while the somm caters to my Didier thirst.
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What would you do as a diner? Mention something to the GM? Just leave?
I'd mention something tot he GM as I'm walking out, or I'd walk out and then give the GM a call the next day or something.
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You're ok with the chef bullying his employees unless you hear it? Cool.
+1. People have this notion of chefs being "badasses" and ruling with an iron fist, which is fine if it's done respectably and responsibly. But the whole bullying thing just smacks of an unprofessional person who shouldn't be in charge of anyone else.
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post #11 of 116
5/11/10 at 3:28pm
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I'd mention something tot he GM as I'm walking out, or I'd walk out and then give the GM a call the next day or something.

+1. People have this notion of chefs being "badasses" and ruling with an iron fist, which is fine if it's done respectably and responsibly. But the whole bullying thing just smacks of an unprofessional person who shouldn't be in charge of anyone else.

Some morons think it's cool that Putin is restricting civil liberties and generally acting dictatorial, they find it "manly". Men can be pathetic creatures...(well women too).
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post #12 of 116
5/11/10 at 3:31pm
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You're ok with the chef bullying his employees unless you hear it? Cool.

From what I understand that's how it works in restaurants. Now, if he were talking to me like that (if I were an employee) I'd tell him where to shove it. If the employee doesn't like it, they can quit.
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post #13 of 116
5/11/10 at 3:32pm
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From what I understand that's how it works in restaurants. Now, if he were talking to me like that (if I were an employee) I'd tell him where to shove it. If the employee doesn't like it, they can quit.

This is why I'd never help a woman getting beatup by her boyfriend; if she doesn't like it she can leave...


ps: you watch too much TV, that's not how it works in restaurants...but then you have an Ayn Rand alias so you probably think rape is A ok.
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post #14 of 116
5/11/10 at 3:35pm
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This is why I'd never help a woman getting beatup by her boyfriend; if she doesn't like it she can leave...

so a tough verbal chef of a boss is now = felony domestic physical abuse?
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post #15 of 116
5/11/10 at 3:37pm
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From what I understand that's how it works in restaurants.

Based on what, watching Hell's Kitchen?
I know of no reason why effective management techniques and basic human relations should be fundamentally different in a restaurant than in other settings.
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