At what RPM? Quoting HP and torque without reference to an RPM curve doesn't really describe what the engine is like to drive. Honda's VTEC would kick you in the butt over a certain RPM and be anemic below. BMW's M52 felt great down low, but ran out of breath up top. Both produced roughly 190HP.
I think a lot of car "enthusiasts" these days substitute car horsepower for the length of their penis.
A turbo lets BMW balance drivability and economy in an environment of stricter emissions regulations.
The point is in 1994 you could buy a 4 cylinder n/a car with nearly 200 hp that was driveable and fun but nearly 20 years later BMW is trying to sell us a 180 hp turbocharged 4 cylinder engine for 35 grand? I had a 325 with a m50 (no VANOS) which was anemic down low but loved to rev and felt happiest at speed and it too made 190 hp yet 20 years later BMW is attempting to sell a 180hp car for 35k? Why should I pay top dollar for a car that makes bargain basement power? A Honda Civic makes 201 hp on a n/a engine for christ sake. It's not about hp making up for penis size, it's about BMW purposely dumbing down their cars. I just don't understand the logic
Personally I think turbos are a cheesy gimmick and cheap power (as opposed to designing a proper engine which is what BMW used to do) but to each his own.
Edited by Rumpelstiltskin - 5/7/13 at 12:43pm