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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

the "visceral" nature of the M5 all lies in the kick of the (unrefined?) SMG and the engine/exhaust note. what I suggest is drive the M5 at the crawling speeds you would drive it in the city. it's absolutely horrid IMO. but yeah, pretty cool at WOT on an open road. everything else, the M3 wins. the DCT is clearly next generation tech and superior in every way....it's just that some people prefer the kick of SMG as a personal preference.

The E46 M3 SMG is spectacular in this regard as well. I love mine. Surprisingly easy to crawl around town as well.

I would recommend checking out the E46 M3 SMG. They are very cheap these days. 20-24mpg. Reasonable maintenance costs. Insane at high RPMs. One of the best looking cars ever made IMO. Wonderful raucous mechanical all intake noise with a slight hint of rasp from the rear when you get on it.

Most of the SMG hate on the internet is from people who test drove it in automatic mode and rightfully hated it.

M5s after the E39 have done nothing for me.
post #9452 of 14746
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

flat black grills are ok. I say this because I despise chrome trim, especially on kidney grills or any grills. it's become fairly common as oem trim anyway so it's not screaming aftermarket. I do hate aftermarket badges (would rather debadge completely if I have to mess with it) and most black wheels
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Originally Posted by East2West View Post

Jet: does this bring back memories?











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post #9454 of 14746
GF, I like everything about the car except the wheels and grille. You're gonna have so much fun with this car.
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GF, dat interior is sick.
post #9456 of 14746
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

flat black grills are ok. I say this because I despise chrome trim, especially on kidney grills or any grills. it's become fairly common as oem trim anyway so it's not screaming aftermarket. I do hate aftermarket badges (would rather debadge completely if I have to mess with it) and most black wheels

Blacked BMW grilles only became common because of Hamann 'DTM' look cars in the mid 90's -> ebay and DIY rattle can versions (getting posted to bimmerforums and dtmpower) for 15 years -> BMW 'performance' parts as OEM just very recently, as nobody has anything to lose anymore in light of all these ricers.... it's not exactly the most illustrious history. To me, I wouldn't have been interested in GF's M5 had i seen it on autotrader like that, it's like meeting a chick at a club and realizing she's ultra high maintenance, yet she is wearing stuff you know you'll need to change about her if you want to keep seeing her by the weekend, and that's forgiving any of her past relationships and all that. Seeing the pics of her with the black rims and blacked grilles is like getting her facebook and finding her wear a Crooks and Castles fitted while throwing up gang signs in her 'profile pictures' album, knowing her broke ass car nerd exbf was responsible for everything.
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While I'm at it, GF, not a fan of the tinted windows but I understand how they might serve a practical function in Dallas.
post #9458 of 14746
Wow, tough crowd.

Car was originally owned by some old geezer in PA who never drove it to the track.

Current owner bought the car for his wife and he rarely ever drove it. Never tracked, either.

I will get all the stock grills, springs, etc. The tint is darker than I want but not to the point where I'd get it re-done.

The price, CPO, and mods (exhaust and Eibach springs) were all what made me pick this car. Not to mention, it is literally the exact color combination I want and has every single option available.

Buying it at, or below, market price, too.

Currently looking at new wheels and seeing what's out there as the only thing I don't like is the powder coated wheels. Will keep the black grill as I actually like it.

It's always tough to please everyone when it comes to car enthusiasts. But IDGAF as long as it pleases me laugh.gif
post #9459 of 14746
I thought I remembered you saying that you used to go to Bimmerfest and some of the other BMW/euro related car events years back.
The ones in the pictures just happened but it might remind you of some you went to. Not a big deal, just wanted to throw up some pics for fun and mix my car in with the lot while I was at it
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I tot maybe jet was the last dude in the blue e92 lol8[1].gif
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My latest contribution to the BMW Blowjob thread. This one moved me.  An e30 M3 with a E34 M5 motor "Only" $30k

 

 

BMW 1990 Model E30 ///M3 Diamond Shwartz paint code 181/9,
Engine conversion S38-B36, 3.6
Sold from new in California, car with no rust.
Euro Sport Evo Unique Cloth Interior including door panels
Restored from bumper to bumper.
VIN# WBSAK0311LAE33596


 
This ad is for those who are interest in E30 M3 with engine conversion!
Please read my detailed description if you are serious about this car! If you are not enjoy the pictures. I know it’s too long but your question will be answered inside.

 

 

About me: As a big enthusiast of classic BMWs and Mercedes, I own and collect several cars including: E24 M6's, E28 M5's, and two E30 M3's. My projects are all at professional level. I am not a dealer in need to roll cars in order to make money what so ever. The time and money I invest into my projects are absolutely not worth it from the business point of view. It is all about the passion!

 

About my engine choice: As we all know, the S14 is M88/3 engine is without the 2 cyl. In my engine choice, I decided to use the S38 engine or I was going to stay with the beloved S14. In my opinion, the S38 is the best choice. The first prototype 24valve engine developed by "Engine Kind" Paul Rosche, it was coded M49/1/2/3/4/5. These engines were designed for racing not for street use. They were used to race the E9 batmobile, E26 M1 etc. Later coded M88/1/3, S38-B35, S38-B36, S38-B38. Later on BMW put them into street cars and designed these unique sport character street cars with racing engines E30 M3, E28 M5, E24 M635CSi, E34 M5. The S14, S38 engines will remain in the BMW Motorsport history as the main successor on the BMW world map of racing! Another benefit of the S38 engine is that they have more torque in any rpm range compared to other BMW 6cyl engines such as Euro S50-B32(321hp), S54-B32(333/343hp), US52-B32(240hp), S50-B30(286hp) etc. Also, the S38 has a lot of reserve potential to increase power compared to other bmw S-inline sixes already squeezed to is maximum from the factory.

I absolutely respect the factory S14-B23/B25. It's the ultimate 4 cyl engine of all time! I drove it for few years and I really enjoyed the Factory engineering. As a kid I was inspired from the German performance company "Hartge" H35-24 M88/3, and Alpina, who produced about 6+/- E30 M3's with M88/3 Hartge, and M30-B35 Alpina. I can't imagine how fast those cars were back in the days.

 

What is the actual weight distribution? The true weight distribution of the real street factory E30 M3 is Front 51.0 and rear 49.0 depending on the car options. It's not exact exactly 50/50. I have measured few E30 M3's at my friends corner balance scale. After my S38 conversion, the weight distribution increased by only 2% at the front. That means 53.x% front and 47.x rear. This is with full interior, spare tire, full liquids, trunk tools, all carpets etc. For instance, my friend who owns a track toy Euro E30 323i with M30-B35 swap with complete strip down chassis and it has the distribution weight of, are you ready…. Sixty~60 % Front and Forty ~40% rear!!! He is absolutely able to keep up at Buttonwillow track with my other friend with E92 M3, and E46 M3 and some other high performance cars with 50/50 weight distribution.

 

How important is the weight distribution? Well, after the S38 conversion, the weight distribution is not bad at all! If your life is dependent on supporting your family, and your form of making money is racing exactly E30 M3, then I understand that purpose of keeping the S14. But I don't think such a thing exists. I out performed my friend's E30 M3 S14 powered in any circumstance.

 

Exterior: Diamond Swhartz Metallic BMW (paint code 181/9). The body is completely rust free with no damages. The car has been refinished to its original color using OEM "Glasurit" paint. I have pictures before I started the restoration. The car had the original factory paint! This car includes: all new rubber moldings, evo rear spoiler with adjustable flap, new euro head lights with clear bra protection, new oem yellow turn signals as well new smoked turn lenses. Also includes: all new oem emblems, new fog lights, new clear bra on all lights, and new front wind shield along with a new carbon fiber light weight hood. Xenon lights with day light bulbs operating as euro cars with combination of all lights available at one time! (not available for US market). Sport Evo aero dynamic seal on hood, rear bumper, front bumper and fenders. The car has been always garaged or if outside covered!

 

Interior: is with new original Sport Evo unique cloth interior, new m-techink emblems, new leather on steering wheel, shifter boot, and hand brake boot all include Tri-Color ///M stitching. New heater core, all new interior bulbs, cluster has been customized to match the accurate rpm's including new rpm graphic. The original S14 has never showed accurate rpm even with a changed chip. The trip miles are set from 0 after the completion of the S38 rebuild from the very first time I started the engine. The oil life green lights are in working order, "Check control" computer is clean with no warning lights, New ///M leather illuminated shift knob, new central electric lock module. Speakers work perfectly. Heater is in mint condition. AC is there and I can install the compressor and charge the system if desired and it will work perfectly, but from the performance point, I kept it out. Everything is working in the car with no exceptions. Euro front grill. New BMW glove box flash light. Extra power inside the glove box for anti radar or other electronic dividers. New heater valve. OBC computer is matched to show the correct MPG and the fuel to empty. That was very hard to match! Now it's like a factory car. Original E30 M3 Manuals included.

 

Drive train: is the legendary S38-B36 from E34 M5 Note ( for those who do not know, this is the second generation S38 found in E34 M5,the engine is NOT like on US E28 M5, E24 M6). The engine has been completely rebuilt with all new hard were, it is board to actual 3.6l. Note (originally is 3.5 ) The engine has 3.8 cam gears. I set them advancing the intake cam shaft and retarding the exhaust in order for better cylinder filling. The head is port and polished with matching headers and Intake trumpets horns. All new guides, valve seals, valve adjustment, new JE pistons with raised compression from 10.1 to 10.5. New bearings set, timing chain, guides, new factory timing chain tenssioner. Also I have the brand new S50 upgrade if needed but I like the factory better. This car also includes: new modified custom fan blade, new Beru ignition wires and cap@rotor. The intake filter was custom installed under the front bumper in order to breathe cold air (very similar like dinan e39 M5 cold air intake). Upgrade E32 740 brake booster , ABS unit has been relocated under the brake booster in order to open spaces for the intake. Custom engine brackets with using e36 m3 engine mounts. Upgraded cooling system from S38-B35 in order to save weight and advantage of using different thermostats. S38-B35 radiator, low temp auxiliary switch, Custom E24 windshield tank with filter , custom hose and wiring all work as factory. All new water hoses. Custom radiator support works in order to fit the water radiator and to look like factory set up, custom air shroud, and custom cold air intake is located behind the drivers' side fog light/bumper. Original diagnostic plug in working order. Car is dynoed with the TMS chip at 283rwhp and 260rwptorque that comes to 333hp at the engine. With the stock chip it pulls around 275rwhp. After the dyno, I installed a stronger fuel pump and it immediately felt much better after ! So there is few rwhp gain.

 

What transmission I chose? My choice is well known and bullet proof throughout years of the gearbox model: Getrag 260 model with 1st 3.83 ratio and 2nd 2.40ratio. They are shorter gear ratios for faster acceleration compared to M5 280 Getrag 1st 3.51ratio, 2nd 2.20ratio the rest 3rd 4th 5th are the same ratios. The tranny shift nice and tight. Gears do not grind, red line oil. New seal, no oil leaks. Very healthy tranny. New Sachs original clutch, single mass11 pounds fly wheel. I have 2 choices of differential current on the car: 3.73lsd and also cruising 2.93lsd if desired. Suspension is adjustable ground control, spring rate is 600 pounds front and 750 pounds rear with sport bilsteins. Stock brakes work very well for street fun.

 

Wheels: : BBS LM "style reps" Front 8J 225/35/18 rear is 9J 255/30/18. With these BBS wheels/tires, the car shows accurate cluster speed mph matched the Factory tire diameter! The car has been dynoed at "speedometer shop".

 

What kind of exhaust? Definitely one of my favorite parts! The exhaust is custom made by www.rennermotorsport.com Hand made Dual 2.5 inch starting from the headers made from U bends in order to keep the same diameter all the way to the magnaflow muffler 2.5 dual inlet and dual outlet with dual 3inch tips. Ceramic/metal cats! Note(I hate driving without cats polluting the air we breathe! For 5hp gain NO tanks I will keep them on the car). The car passes smog with flying numbers. I tested it already at a smog station. No resonators to save some weight. The engine flows amazingly. Yes, it's a little too loud according to my wife and all my neighbors ☺ but I love it. The sound from the S38 is very good with a deep sound similar to small v8 engines.

 

 

 

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Edited by Rumpelstiltskin - 4/10/13 at 4:58pm
post #9462 of 14746
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

I tot maybe jet was the last dude in the blue e92 lol8[1].gif

Lol pretty sure that's him in the back of the black e46 vert

Anyone else waiting on a F82 M4?
I'm not a fan of the current f30 3'ers ( steering and suspension are not what a BMW should be)
But I'm hoping the boys in the M Division will remedy that
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I saw the disguised M3 (4-door) yesterday tooling around Santa Barbara, but I am not a fan of any of the M cars after the E46 M3. I don't know how Porsche can make their cars lighter while BMWs become heavier by the hundreds of pounds with each generation.
post #9464 of 14746
I agree with that. The current 3 is the size and weight of an old 5 series with none of the dynamics.
It's obvious they're trying to cater to a much broader audience and moving away from their old principals
post #9465 of 14746
Agreed.

The E46 M3 in m/t will become a collector's car in years to come.
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