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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

who knows, when we come back you might have some newly minted fellow Audi dickriders

Good. We need more bottoms.




We really do need to add that emo. Going to transparent mod.
post #9227 of 14781
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Originally Posted by GreenFrog View Post

See, unlike you, I can actually appreciate other cars and brands. In fact, I used to drive an A4 in college, so, kindly steer yourself away from this thread where you add zero value.

Is "A4" code for a black chick or did you really own the car? "Steer yourself away", that was pretty good.
post #9228 of 14781
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this is what i (and i think CG) was talking about when referring to what i fear the CLA might be:



this car sucked. and it was super expensive if you looked at what it gave you versus what you paid. literally the only person who would buy it would be someone who HAD to have a Mercedes
Yup. And Pio's commented validated what I was saying. That 318 hatch was another example. Failed to live up to the image Americans expected.
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BTW, the new Merc concept (shell) was at he recent Twin Cities auto show. The dealer said that "if somehow they manage to actually get it to market at $30k, it will be underpowered and underequipped."
post #9230 of 14781
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Originally Posted by Cary Grant View Post

BTW, the new Merc concept (shell) was at he recent Twin Cities auto show. The dealer said that "if somehow they manage to actually get it to market at $30k, it will be underpowered and underequipped."

Until someone drives it, this is just blow jobs. It could end up an excellent car. If VW can do it for 30k, so can Merc. We're getting caught up in brand identity where the quality of the car should rule. Same thing happened with the Phaeton, a brilliant, brilliant car.
post #9231 of 14781
I think this dealer probably does not want a new Merc that s on par with VW. And nobody wanted a VW that was $90k.
Edited by Cary Grant - 4/3/13 at 2:22am
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Originally Posted by Cary Grant View Post

I think this dealer probably does not feel want a new Merc that s on par with VW. And nobody wanted a VW that was $90k.

 

True.  I have seen2 on the road...and I suspect it was the same one twice

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Phaeton was a Halo car that represented what VW was capable of, from an era when they had an identity crisis, putting the w12 in Passats. 

 

Phaeton compares, arguably to top trim MB S class amiright? what VW and MB does with the rest of their models is what creates their brand identity. I think its interesting how MB, at least from my American perspective has held on to their status as a brand. Even if BMW and Audi and VW and Hyundai (Equus) are capable of making the same quality of cars, they havn't cultivated the same poise/status that MB has. It's stuffy at times but they know who they cater to. Piob is a perfect example, I mean no slant. He's self admittedly a curmudgeon and pays enough that he doesnt want to bothered with shit loaners and dopes bringing in their bagged and tuned GTIs, very understandable.

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Originally Posted by Cary Grant View Post

I think this dealer probably does not feel want a new Merc that s on par with VW. And nobody wanted a VW that was $90k.

Any dealer that rejects a new market is stupid. You there to sell cars or pretend you're exclusive?

I'm considering getting my kid a Phaeton as a first car. The car is brilliant and because nobody wants a 90k VW, cheap as chips. You can get one for under 20k now. How a car that well engineered is going for that price is amazing. The low hanging fruit in this thread should take note.

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Originally Posted by mike1445 View Post

Phaeton was a Halo car that represented what VW was capable of, from an era when they had an identity crisis

At the risk of pledging membership to the Fact Check Mafia, this is totally wrong. VW was laying down genetics for its shared platform with the A8 and the Bentley. There is tons of overlap with the 3 cars. In a sense, for VW this was stupid and misguided but it put down some great genes for later Audi models. The A8 shares the same basic chassis and drivetrain.

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Phaeton compares, arguably to top trim MB S class amiright?

Yes, to a degree. What makes the Phaeton special is that chassis. Its incredibly rigid, and that is the core for a car that will age really well. Its also way over-engineered, again, perfect genes for a car that will age well. On the rare occasion I see one, I comment to myself that's a smart buyer right there. I suffer the prestige disease and paid the extra 20k for the 4 circles and basically got the same car. The engineering holds, my car, save for a wheel bearing is well over 100k and never had a single problem.
Edited by idfnl - 4/2/13 at 7:07pm
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had my BMW on a Dyna Pack this past Good Friday... just doing a base run. have some software and mid pipes going in shortly

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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

Any dealer that rejects a new market is stupid. You there to sell cars or pretend you're exclusive?

I'm considering getting my kid a Phaeton as a first car. The car is brilliant and because nobody wants a 90k VW, cheap as chips. You can get one for under 20k now. How a car that well engineered is going for that price is amazing. The low hanging fruit in this thread should take note.
At the risk of pledging membership to the Fact Check Mafia, this is totally wrong. VW was laying down genetics for its shared platform with the A8 and the Bentley. There is tons of overlap with the 3 cars. In a sense, for VW this was stupid and misguided but it put down some great genes for later Audi models. The A8 shares the same basic chassis and drivetrain.
Yes, to a degree. What makes the Phaeton special is that chassis. Its incredibly rigid, and that is the core for a car that will age really well. Its also way over-engineered, again, perfect genes for a care that will age well. On the rare occasion I see one, I comment to myself that's a smart buyer right there. I suffer the prestige disease and paid the extra 20k for the 4 circles and basically got the same car.
No arguing it's a great car. But Audi/Porsche/Lamborghini etc are happier without the mothership going head to head with them.
As far as refusing a new market segment... It cannot ALWAYS be about growing market share, there has to be mission and preserving brand value in there at least a little.
Edited by Cary Grant - 4/3/13 at 2:23am
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Other than the 1 series, every new BMW has a turbocharged  engine.  What does that mean?  It means my next BMW will either be a new M (yeah right) or a used car. 

post #9238 of 14781
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Originally Posted by bings View Post

had my BMW on a Dyna Pack this past Good Friday... just doing a base run. have some software and mid pipes going in shortly
nice, so what did you put down as a base?
post #9239 of 14781
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Originally Posted by Cary Grant View Post

No arguing it's a great car. But Audi/Porsche/Lamborghini etc are happier without the mothership going head to head with them.
As far as refusing a new market segment... It cannot ALWAYS be about growing market share, there has to be mission and preserving brand vale in there at least a little.

That has limits. My cheap ass father wouldn't even fork over the extra 4k for his 2nd merc and get a 300TD in '84 and instead got that tank/slowest car on earth 240D even after his first purchase of a '72 240D. He got in on the lowest rung and stayed there. Since the 70's its the only brand he drives. Give his cheap ass credit, he did manage to move up to the E class.

Merc recognizes the aspirational/SFCarsWeDriveThreadCockBlowers are going BjMW and need to challenge that segment. The groupthink is wrong here, this looks like a solid car and a good move. Nobody seems to be challenging the 1 series, why not??

Side note. My father is funny as shit. When he bought that '84, he didn't say a number, he wrote it on a piece of paper and the sales dude looked at it and gasped. I was like 12 and even at that age knew my father shoved his hog down his throat, he got that car for $800 more than that number. He's a fucking nutcase but that fucker can negotiate something special.
post #9240 of 14781
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

Any dealer that rejects a new market is stupid. You there to sell cars or pretend you're exclusive?

What a stupid fucking statement. Some markets cannot be chased in tandem. It's like saying Robuchon is a fucking idiot for not chasing the greasy taco market. Selling is all about market segmentation. As VW found out you cannot chase the market for 90k cars, no matter how fantastic that car is, out of the same outlet you chase aging fat hippy women (Bugs) and pretentious office drones (VW value sedans). This is basic shit anyone that's written a business plan knows.

Or put another way:
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

You really do live in fucking idiot land.
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