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post #9001 of 14102
CTS looks good in the pics. Need to see it IRL.
post #9002 of 14102
Need some help from the BMW owners.

Looking to trade in my FIAT 500 for a small used SUV or car that MUST have AWD and cargo space. Want to keep the price below 20,000.

Found a 2007 X3 M Sport that was just traded in yesterday. Loaded, clean reports, one owner who paid cash originally and looks like he pampered it. 53,000 miles.
Drove it for 20 minutes and liked it quite a bit. I read online that gaskets leaking are common around 60k. I'd have it inspected first... my only minor concern is the tiny foot well, when wearing chunkier shoes the fit between the brake and tunnel is very tight.

Biggest concern with it is reliability and repair costs.

Thoughts on this one?

Alternatives are slightly newer vehicles ala Ford Edge/Escape... Audi A4's, a couple of VW CC's... also an Infiniti M35 that goes like a bat outta hell and is also loaded but is a bit of a grandpas car...
I'm getting to an age where getting in an out of an SUV feels better though.
post #9003 of 14102
Go to the detroitnews.com page and look up the pics for the new Jeep Cherokee. FUGLY.
post #9004 of 14102
Yup- it is the replacement for the Liberty, now using the "Cherokee" name.

By contrast I think the new GRAND Cherokee looks pretty good.
post #9005 of 14102
It is fugly and I could easily see them going "retro" in a future update to please fans if they don't sell.
post #9006 of 14102
the thing I like the least about a pre-2010 X3 is the fact that it's a pre-2010 X3. "Ultimate Driving Machine" it ain't.



I have not tried the redesign.
post #9007 of 14102
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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post

the thing I like the least about a pre-2010 X3 is the fact that it's a pre-2010 X3. "Ultimate Driving Machine" it ain't.



I have not tried the redesign.

Say more- I've never owned a Bimmer and I am not really buying it to be a tall 3 Series... or a Sports Car.
post #9008 of 14102
I may be an idiot for buying a used Bimmer if I want to keep repair costs down... uhoh.gif
post #9009 of 14102
i know nothing about the repair costs there (even though my family owns plenty of BMW's), but the old X3 was sort of lame (yes, I did test one out). Just didn't feel nearly as good as other BMW's, the ride wasn't as nice, road noise seemed high, it didn't seem particularly nimble, it seemed sluggish, it didn't respond to the road like other BMWs, etc.

If it had to be a BMW, which in my case is yes, that wasn't a large SUV, had AWD, and cargo, I'd pick a 328xi wagon or something. IMO much better than the old X3.
post #9010 of 14102
BMW wagons, 3's or 5's are very scarce here. all of a few listed that are either too old or too new.
post #9011 of 14102
There are a few 2007-8 5-series sedans with AWD available in the right $$$ but all tend to have 90k plus miles.
post #9012 of 14102
Why not an Audi A6 Avant (avoid the turbo ones) or Q5?

There's also the Volvo XC (XC70) that's worth a look. Not particularly fast but are solid.
post #9013 of 14102
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Originally Posted by JayJay View Post

CTS looks good in the pics. Need to see it IRL.

Not quite IRL, but here's a real-world shot from today's NY reveal:



As a former 1st gen 2006 CTS-V owner (damn, I loved that car!) and a CTS enthusiast + Caddy reinvention follower:
  • I liked it better when the CTS was aligned between the 3 and 5; to me it was the perfect size. Now they're aligning the ATS vs. 3 and CTS vs. 5 which, I think, will lose them some points.
  • That said, the CTS clocks in at 3600lbs which is amazingly lightweight for today, so maybe they're aligning for a reason: they're planning on winning (gasp).
  • I hate seeing the CTS losing the vertical stacked headlights, even if they're replacing them with vertical lightwork (which I'm not sure is going to age well, we'll see)
  • No more manual, ugh. If they delete it for the V too, well, it's off my list.
  • Caddy has abandoned Art and Science. I wish they would have updated and extended it; I really liked the chiseled "stealth fighter" look of gen1+2. I fear they're getting away from what worked well.
  • The interior looks Audi level. Let's hope hands-on, tactile impressions confirm it.
  • Magnetic Ride Control avail on non-V versions is fantastic. And the V-Sport version @ 420hp/430lbft=4.6@60 specs out great for those who don't need the (presumably) fire-breathing full on V that will come after.

In the end, I like most of it (especially the weight, engine lineup, and interior) but it's doesn't strike me as a CTS, it strikes me as something else. Pricing is TBD.

Since I'm reminiscing, here's a pic from my for-sale ad of my beloved gen1 V. It lines up nicely for comparison with the above pic of the new gen3:


Edited by razl - 3/27/13 at 2:03pm
post #9014 of 14102
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Originally Posted by whiteslashasian View Post

Why not an Audi A6 Avant (avoid the turbo ones) or Q5?

There's also the Volvo XC (XC70) that's worth a look. Not particularly fast but are solid.

Q5 would be great but too $$$.

The very few A6 Avants here are old and tired. I am test driving an A4 Avant tomorrow that looks promising.
Edited by Cary Grant - 3/27/13 at 2:55pm
post #9015 of 14102
My dad was in the same boat and just wanted a cheap enough used BMW or Audi wagon recently (has had them before, we always had Volvos in our family but I think he got over them sometime in the 90's and we haven't had a Ford-era Volvo) - anyway, those wagons are incredibly scarce. The few that exist in America are either out on the west coast, the northeast, or are ex-lease cars that get herded into for-ebay clearinghouse dealers that are typically in Missouri or Texas, or similar states (low taxes and cheap land for dealerships like that)
He waited quite awhile and ended up getting a 328Xi wagon. Wish he would've listened to me and bought a 535Xi wagon; they're a little expensive still but I think he overpaid for the 3 (as most people do) and the 5 is so much more car.
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