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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

Ummmm, no.

Unless you have tactile experience with Audi's AWD, I can't change your mind. I've owned 3 AWD Audi's (currently own 2) and can tell you without a doubt they are a marvel in wet weather and the snow. You can post all the tire rack vids you want but until you experience this system in bad weather you're clueless. I'm telling you that with regular tires it would smoke a RWD BMW on winter tires without a glance.

I do agree winter tires improve the performance of any car. But winter tires on an AWD Quattro would make a laughingstock of most anything else. Just watch those snow vids above. I can report the same experiences.

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It doesn't matter how good an AWD system is if the tires cannot transfer force to the ground. Which wheel will you drive if none have them have grip?

Wet weather driving is entirely different than snow driving. Traction in rain is about getting water out from underneath the tires. Snow reduces traction because tires are cold and hard and have reduced (and sometimes no) grip when they're cold, and snow is a movable surface. That's why snow tires have different rubber formulations along with different surface features (the small sipes that can grip into ice or snow).
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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post

as a side note, holy shit that Pagani Huyara-whatever blistered that Top Gear track.

Ya, I forgot to mention that, holy shit that was a fast lap.

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Originally Posted by A Y View Post

Ummm, confused.gif

It doesn't matter how good an AWD system is if the tires cannot transfer force to the ground. Which wheel will you drive if none have them have grip?

Wet weather driving is entirely different than snow driving. Traction in rain is about getting water out from underneath the tires. Snow reduces traction because tires are cold and hard and have reduced (and sometimes no) grip when they're cold, and snow is a movable surface. That's why snow tires have different rubber formulations along with different surface features (the small sipes that can grip into ice or snow).

My car is heavy as hell, so that makes a big difference in getting grip. I do concede winter tires are much softer and have much better grip in the snow, no argument there. No question winter tired are better under braking, AWD adds no value there.

Here you see a FWD car barely beating a Subaru. And the Subaru is better under acceleration. Not much of a difference otherwise:

post #8448 of 14110
same car, just different tires. For stopping grip, it doesn't matter if you have AWD or not.

post #8449 of 14110
By far the best performing car I have experienced in the snow was the LR3. An absolute beast. I was supposed to take it to the LR Driving School at Equinox in Vermont, but my trip was canceled, then I sold it. Maybe my theory is off, but I really think it makes a difference in the type of snow and temperature. It would be easier to blast through the snow in Colorado, much drier snow than New York. With the heavier, wetter New York snow, it is tougher for any car to provide traction and stopping power.
post #8450 of 14110
love the jay Leno pagani vid in la
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

Ya, I forgot to mention that, holy shit that was a fast lap.
My car is heavy as hell, so that makes a big difference in getting grip. I do concede winter tires are much softer and have much better grip in the snow, no argument there. No question winter tired are better under braking, AWD adds no value there.

Here you see a FWD car barely beating a Subaru. And the Subaru is better under acceleration. Not much of a difference otherwise:


Lol, those two cars would be smoked by this F1 car on winter tires.
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3 series GT  peepwall[1].gif

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Fugly. crazy.gif
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I love how spectacularly BMW has lost its shit in the recent past. first, it was the faked engine noise in the M5. then, it was all those cosmetic "special edition" M3's (which AMG promptly trumped by releasing the Black Series and 507 to show BMW how it's done).

now, they take a look at their version of the Pontiac Aztek and say, that was so awesome let's make a smaller one!
post #8455 of 14110
I may be the only one who likes the GT... in fact it is probably the only version of the 5 series that I'd actually buy peepwall[1].gif
post #8456 of 14110
I don't really understand the need for the GT line with the Tourings and the X series. Can somebody enlighten me what niche they are trying to fill with it? People too self-conscious about owning a wagon?
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I dont hate the 5 series GT in black, these wheels are two big for my taste but a little lowering and beefier tire helps. I wonder if id like the 3gt done up the same way

 

 

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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

I love how spectacularly BMW has lost its shit in the recent past. first, it was the faked engine noise in the M5.

I thought they faked the exhaust note. I'm amazed this Milli Vanilli shit didn't get more criticism. What a pathetic move.
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Originally Posted by Beckwith View Post

By far the best performing car I have experienced in the snow was the LR3. An absolute beast. I was supposed to take it to the LR Driving School at Equinox in Vermont, but my trip was canceled, then I sold it. Maybe my theory is off, but I really think it makes a difference in the type of snow and temperature. It would be easier to blast through the snow in Colorado, much drier snow than New York. With the heavier, wetter New York snow, it is tougher for any car to provide traction and stopping power.

Did you go from and LR3 to the GL? That's what I did.

Agree, nothing I have ever driven remotely compares to the LR3 in terms of just driving over shit, traction, etc. Simply the most incredible AWD system in the world.
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I don't mind the BMW GTs actually. The rear is much better resolved than the Panamera's, but that's not saying much.

After seeing friends with growing families and the kinds of car choices they make because of that, I can understand why BMW wants to make something like the GT.
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