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post #7936 of 14920
190E cosworth, Hammer, 500E - those 20 years or older now. Those are indeed classics. I sort of disagree about the CLK-DTM; it was exclusive, but not true insta-classic.
post #7937 of 14920
on a different note, my boy's rs4

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post #7938 of 14920
I see a silver E500 al the time from like, one of the last runs - it has the 6-spoke Evo wheels and marbled two-tone leather, I think it may have visited AMG at some point, but doesn't have the motor.
In Japan they used to have an AMG Japan arm that did aftermarket before Mercedes took over full control of AMG to make turnkey cars (the same way I think they had an AMG West shop in the US) ; it was common for guys in Japan to take those E500's and get them AMG'ed into E60's; they got things like the power Recaros, the Evo wheels, different aero (some got flared by AMG), and then the punched out block making pretty good power. It was kind of like a Hammer package, but not exactly the same thing, the E60 was a little different.

this is a real deal Hammer 6.0 coupe with AMG flares:



This is an E500 turned into an E60 Limited by AMG Japan:
post #7939 of 14920
Damn, I need to make a trip to Japan again.
post #7940 of 14920
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

We live in America. Gas motherfucker.
Escalade 14/18: http://www.cadillac.com/2012-escalade-suv/features-specs/standard-optional-equipment.html
Rangie: 14/20: http://www.landrover.com/us/en/lr/all-new-range-rover/explore/range-rover/
As mentioned ,wheelbase is almost exactly the same. The statement no one buys an Escalade in Europe due to size and mileage, vs. a RR, is bunk. Sorry, mate.
Your statement about the cargo size of the Escalade vs. the RR only supports my contention that you saying the 'Slade is not bought due to being too big is incorrect.
Well, since we're talking about Europe, it's natural to compare the engines available here. The 3.0L diesel in the new RR gets 31/33 mpg (US), while the Escalade is half of that.
The wheelbase is the same, but the Escalade is 15 cm longer (~6 inches). Now, before you brush it off as its nothing, have you ever tried driving in (Northern) Europe? Parking spaces in Norway are 5m by 2.3 m (16,4 ft by 7,5 ft) - for all practical reasons the exact dimensions of a RR. The Escalade is simply too big. Try driving through a normal suburb with a large car - tight bends and narrow roads will make it a not-so-pleasant experience. Fact of the matter is this, RR's are borderline large in a lot of situations, and anything larger in countries where we don't have 4 lane highways throughout every neighborhood is just stupid.

I see RR's daily - rarely see any Cadillacs, and its not without reason.
post #7941 of 14920
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

We live in America. Gas motherfucker.
Your statement about the cargo size of the Escalade vs. the RR only supports my contention that you saying the 'Slade is not bought due to being too big is incorrect.


What you mean is YOU live in America, I live don't so the metric system it is. satisfied.gif

How it is on size wise on the inside on how it looks and feels from the outside, has nothing really to do with each other.
post #7942 of 14920
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

190E cosworth, Hammer, 500E - those 20 years or older now. Those are indeed classics. I sort of disagree about the CLK-DTM; it was exclusive, but not true insta-classic.

Safe to say Merc has done some cars worth considering a classic. Although, ick, that Chrysler fail fucked the company up for a while. The early A class, the C Class Coupe and the worst of them all, the early SLK's omg bad.

Was going to post the 190 2.3-16 but beaten to it.

The 500E is probably the best car (obviously considering price v quality, etc) that Merc has made in the last couple of decades.


Not to mention another classic:





And no love for the G?





And the wagon? Great car.

post #7943 of 14920
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That's the bomb right there. Nice post.
Was it real rally or a knock off?
Hard to say. I think it could be the same Porsche from which pictures were circulating on the internet with full olive matte painting and Dakar style accesories, but could also be an actual rally car. It's the second time I see it (lucky me, I don't even live in that city anymore), but first time it just went way too damn quick! Looking up the names written on the car doesn't give me anything.

Here's the matte olive one I was talking about
post #7944 of 14920
the G-wagen is a classic, indeed. Not really a fan of the new G63, it looks a little riced out. The past few years of the G55 were probably the height of that design, plus the old mil-spec G-wagen in khaki. Hiroki Nakamura has a mil-spec G.

Whatever current E-class wagon there is, they're nice, but since the DaimlerChrysler cars they just haven't been the same, of any of the classes. Designs are too capricious, the feel isn't as tank-like, and MB concedes to a lot of trendy stuff like LED strips and needless character wrinkles in the bodywork, and most of all, putting the large star grille on everything lately is like MB spreading their legs for everyone. Having a large star grille on anything but an SL used to be for drug dealers, now they're putting it everything from the factory. ugh
The W210 might qualify as a classic. They're old as fuck now but I still like seeing them go by, especially the old naturally aspirated E55.

That old SL is a classic if it has the slim Euro bumpers, but that's a gimme, it's old. Modern classics are just much harder to pick out.
post #7945 of 14920
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The W210 might qualify as a classic. They're old as fuck now but I still like seeing them go by

That's what my father has. He fucking loves that car. It actually is a very nice ride, I've always liked it.

As far as aging S classes go, unfortunately most of them depreciate to the point that they are affordable to the yahoo's that don't maintain them and let them go to shit. Yellow headlamps, no attention to the paintwork, scraped up rims, not to mention when they start the window tint lowering louvers garbage.

But, 1 owner S's from a guy in his 40's taking the car on thru are still quite nice. Its context. There are a few around me here, one especially, this weird old guy brings his dog to my neighborhood for a walk every day. Parks in the exact same spot at the top of my street and walks this dog for a good 2 hours. He never manages to park his car strait, so the rear is like a foot and a half further out than it should be. Anyway, its a black mid 90's S class and its in perfect condition.
post #7946 of 14920
I drove a W210 a few times, I was always surprised at how lithe it felt. Awesome car.

The problem with S classes, is as you said - most people never take care of them. Also, they're a flagship sedan (and in my parts, you're mostly driven in them) , and so you get a bit of envy everytime a new one comes out and has new design language.

Today I was going home in a cab and it took an hour to get home, it took about 5 minutes per block. Traffic is so bad here in Seoul, people crossing like 3 lanes suddenly at a time, stopping all of a sudden, they are horrible drivers here. It'd make having a chaffeur so worth it and I'd be able to just recruit an experienced taxi driver to drive part time really. I'd be able to pull a Macbook Air out from the seatback and just work that whole hour, and then like I said, instead of paying for parking I can tell him to go hide the car in an alley or something, and then his salary pays for itself and the cost of owning a car is the same.

Those 2007'ish A8's are quite a deal here nowadays, down in the 20's, I think I will do it this year at some point and pay for the car in cash and keep it til the wheels fall off, and have two different P/T drivers, day and night (I like to go out drinking a lot). Just a car. I'd really like a 2009 740i but they're in the 50's so not really my thing right now.
post #7947 of 14920
I drove a W210 a few times, I was always surprised at how lithe it felt. Awesome car.

The problem with S classes, is as you said - most people never take care of them. Also, they're a flagship sedan (and in my parts, you're mostly driven in them) , and so you get a bit of envy everytime a new one comes out and has new design language.

Today I was going home in a cab and it took an hour to get home, it took about 5 minutes per block. Traffic is so bad here in Seoul, people crossing like 3 lanes suddenly at a time, stopping all of a sudden, they are horrible drivers here. It'd make having a chaffeur so worth it and I'd be able to just recruit an experienced taxi driver to drive part time really. I'd be able to pull a Macbook Air out from the seatback and just work that whole hour, and then like I said, instead of paying for parking I can tell him to go hide the car in an alley or something, and then his salary pays for itself and the cost of owning a car is the same.

Those 2007'ish A8's are quite a deal here nowadays, down in the 20's, I think I will do it this year at some point and pay for the car in cash and keep it til the wheels fall off, and have two different P/T drivers, day and night (I like to go out drinking a lot). Just a car. I'd really like a 2009 740i but they're in the 50's so not really my thing right now.
post #7948 of 14920
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

I like the profile of the new A8, wish I could afford one (with a driver)
As for modern mass-production classics, I'd probably not include the E39 M5 - recirculating ball steering, plus they flogged a ton of M-sport 5ers in that generation that made them look 85% like an M5, in foreign markets it's common to see 525i's done up to look like M5's because all they had to do was change the crossbar in the bumper for the mesh (was a separate piece) and change the diffuser to a double-outlet, plus M5 mirrors. Exclusivity kinda hurting there. E34 M5? so classic.
The E46 M3, yes. Total classic. Would need to be on the 19"s and be absolutely mint, but a car worth having in 20 years. Exclusive body, the right motor/driveline combination, stellar reputation.
We've already talked about the others, Z8, etc. There is almost nothing that Mercedes has made in the past 20-25 years that is worth labeling a classic. Likewise, Audi hasn't either - in 10-15 years time you'd look at something like an RS4 Avant and say 'that was a cool car back then, but this person must be very quirky to want to drive one now' - which is what I think when I see RS2's and ur-Quattros go by randomly (thanks Japan, and your esoteric car tastes) Porsche hasn't really made much since the 993 that is insta-classic.
The Quattroporte will be a classic amongst car people at least, I think. Great looks, Ferrari pedigree, way underpriced for what it was. The 4.7 GTS in black/black will be pretty immortal, but even the base automatika pre-facelift has an air of taste about it.
LP640 and the Aventador, probably nearing insta-classic status.
It was so much easier to name the modern insta-classics about 15 years ago.... frown.gif

If the Aventador will be a classic, I almost certainly think the 458 and F12 have to labeled as such. But then I think the 575 is a classic as well. The McLaren P1 better be as well. The E46 M3 is a lovely car and the only non Chris Bangled BMW from that era - and one of the first cars I wanted that wasn't a supercar. The S54 is a marvel and probably the best iron block mass production engine ever made. The post LCI ZCP in a 6 speed or the CSL is timeless - but when it came out, I don't think people said it was going to be a classic. I remember the musings that it was just a bored out E36 with quad exhausts, wasn't styled aggressively enough, etc.

My point is more that when a car is launched, it's hard to tell if it will become a classic.
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post #7950 of 14920
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Originally Posted by ramuman View Post

If the Aventador will be a classic, I almost certainly think the 458 and F12 have to labeled as such. But then I think the 575 is a classic as well. The McLaren P1 better be as well. The E46 M3 is a lovely car and the only non Chris Bangled BMW from that era - and one of the first cars I wanted that wasn't a supercar. The S54 is a marvel and probably the best iron block mass production engine ever made. The post LCI ZCP in a 6 speed or the CSL is timeless - but when it came out, I don't think people said it was going to be a classic. I remember the musings that it was just a bored out E36 with quad exhausts, wasn't styled aggressively enough, etc.
My point is more that when a car is launched, it's hard to tell if it will become a classic.

The E46 is actually just a couple years pre-Bangle. It's a Nakamura design I think. CSL is pure classic, everything is done well on that car, no stupid wing like the M3 GTS, etc. Hard to talk about with Americans since it didn't go there. Seeing a CSL in person is pretty exciting when you know how rare it is.

It doesn't really need to be said about Ferraris though, almost every Ferrari ever made is a classic. The only ones that really have to try hard to earn that title are the 2+2 V12's, the 456, the 612, FF, but those will get their day too.
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