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post #7831 of 10007
12/30/12 at 8:04pm
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Originally Posted by thekunk07 View Post

in a touareg with less than a v8, you can die trying to merge into traffic

See, that's what I like about both my GL and her ML. I'm doing 95 in the GL if I floor it and her ML still has you pushing 80.
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post #7832 of 10007
12/30/12 at 8:08pm
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

The problem with the VW is it's a VW. That means you do not get the free service loaner and you have to hang out with those vacuous women that drive Bugs when you get service done.
yeah, that was annoying but i only had to deal with that two or three times a year. but the entire rest of the time i was driving an SUV that put all the offerings from traditional luxury brands to shame, in my honest opinion. i can live with that and have the wife pick me up from the dealership in the Porsche.

btw the vacuousness of the Beetle clientele is more than offset by the Golf/Rabbit/Jetta clientele. wink.gif it really is true that the hottest chicks drive those cars...even though in recent years it seems that the ricer contingent seems to have picked up on the GTI more
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post #7833 of 10007
12/30/12 at 8:10pm
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

See, that's what I like about both my GL and her ML. I'm doing 95 in the GL if I floor it and her ML still has you pushing 80.

It's time for an AMG M I suppose. smile.gif
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post #7834 of 10007
12/30/12 at 8:11pm

i got a free loaner while i was under warranty...a jetta 2.5...always.

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post #7835 of 10007
12/31/12 at 1:09am
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

For Mrs. Piob? She's on her second ML, so GLK is smaller. The Q5 we looked at. Smaller than the ML, engine not as strong, and due to shitty residual value was actually nearly $400 a month more than the more expensive ML. The Q5 handled nice though and had a nice cockpit and electronics.

The Evoque is smaller than the ML as well, so if she wants to stay with the ML size, then we are talking Q7, X5, Cayenne, Range Rover (sport), Disco etc.
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post #7836 of 10007
12/31/12 at 2:00am
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

Would have to disagree here.
Audi interiors are very nicely fitted, nice ergonomics, materials and they don't rattle and squeak. While the A4 is not a match for the 3 series, the higher lines are much nicer, I don't know if you have any experience driving them. And frankly, the 3 series, A4 and Merc C class are available to anyone with a basic job nowadays, their not exactly luxury cars.
Also, you're comparing cars designed for different audiences. For some lifestyles,a very tight suspension that has the exhaust note piped into the cabin is not attractive. Reliability is also a consideration. So is some of the inflection certain brands bring with them.

I have been in an A8 before. They're nice, but I do not think they are the driver's cars that BMWs are. Pretty much every control that is commonly used on a BMW falls right to the hand, and switches on/off or modulates the way a reasonable person expects them to. I never found that to be the case when I had an Audi. While I understand that an A8 is nicer than A4, the controls and operation for things like the headlights and cruise are the same across the board. Audis are nice looking, of course. I just prefer driving a BMW.
Lately I am thinking about moving back to Korea and picking up a used A8L (they are cheap, as there were a glut of them bought by corporations) and a part-time driver so that I can go out and drink at night and not fight for cabs, and I have stuff to haul around pretty often so the size would be a boon. I'd really like a newer 740 but they are 2-3x as much, not as realistic.
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post #7837 of 10007
12/31/12 at 2:05am
Still do not understand why Americans want 'crossovers' so badly, when wagons haul just as much, and whip the shit out of an SUV in drive feel. Americans could have cars like this:




Yet they make a category for things like this to exist:


Stylisticaly, it's like having the choice of wearing well-made clothes that fit, and nice shoes, but specifically choosing to wear the polo shirt that is two sizes too big, khakis, a braided belt with a cell phone holster, and horrible shoes that are neither 'dressy' nor 'casual'
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post #7838 of 10007
12/31/12 at 3:18am
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

I have been in an A8 before. They're nice, but I do not think they are the driver's cars that BMWs are. Pretty much every control that is commonly used on a BMW falls right to the hand, and switches on/off or modulates the way a reasonable person expects them to. I never found that to be the case when I had an Audi. While I understand that an A8 is nicer than A4, the controls and operation for things like the headlights and cruise are the same across the board. Audis are nice looking, of course. I just prefer driving a BMW.
Lately I am thinking about moving back to Korea and picking up a used A8L (they are cheap, as there were a glut of them bought by corporations) and a part-time driver so that I can go out and drink at night and not fight for cabs, and I have stuff to haul around pretty often so the size would be a boon. I'd really like a newer 740 but they are 2-3x as much, not as realistic.

I'm constantly astounded when looking up the price of an A8 with about 80,000 on the clock. For £10,000 you can get a LWB with TVs, reclining seats in the back, heated seats all round and automatic closing doors, boots and hoods.

It is actually a battle I have with my dad all the time; he buys a new A6 or A5 every two years for about £45,000. For that money he could easily hire a full time driver at £15,000 a year and just buy the A8 outright. For a man who puts 60,000 miles per year onto his cars, I am certain that having a driver would allow him to do more work with less stress and ultimately prevent a coronary. Horses for courses I suppose.
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post #7839 of 10007
12/31/12 at 3:36am
Yeah you can get a big-grille A8L, 2006-2008ish with very little on the clock, for about that much in my parts. A part-time driver is as low as $10/hr and comes with their own separate insurance policy through their designated driver's agency. Normal lot parking is like $10/hr or more in popular parts of the city, whereas you can tell a driver to fuck off and give him $5 for food and tell them to just park in a quiet alley til you call them. It's pretty much a no-brainer really, pays for itself pretty much. In Asia they have the 3.2L A8, which is cheaper to run and cheaper to buy on the secondary market too. Considering the horrible traffic in Seoul and this option, it's not far fetched to aim to have a car and a driver.
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post #7840 of 10007
12/31/12 at 5:39am
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

I have been in an A8 before. They're nice, but I do not think they are the driver's cars that BMWs are. Pretty much every control that is commonly used on a BMW falls right to the hand, and switches on/off or modulates the way a reasonable person expects them to. I never found that to be the case when I had an Audi. While I understand that an A8 is nicer than A4, the controls and operation for things like the headlights and cruise are the same across the board. Audis are nice looking, of course. I just prefer driving a BMW.
Lately I am thinking about moving back to Korea and picking up a used A8L (they are cheap, as there were a glut of them bought by corporations) and a part-time driver so that I can go out and drink at night and not fight for cabs, and I have stuff to haul around pretty often so the size would be a boon. I'd really like a newer 740 but they are 2-3x as much, not as realistic.

When I bought, I tested the 750 and couldnt believe how bad that iDrive thing was. I mean fuck, do I need a fighter pilot license to drive a car. So I'm not sure what you're saying here.

I did love the drive of the BMW but researching the car, it appeared to have significant enough electrical issues and generally more trouble than the Audi.

The depreciation is pretty infuriating. Its one thing to have a 20k car lose 1/2 its value, but its true for all of them:

'09 S550 for 36k! You fucking kidding me.

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=102094840

'10 750 for 39k?

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=100898168


'09 A8 low miles for 44k

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=96147909
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post #7841 of 10007
12/31/12 at 6:13am
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

Still do not understand why Americans want 'crossovers' so badly, when wagons haul just as much, and whip the shit out of an SUV in drive feel. Americans could have cars like this: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)




Yet they make a category for things like this to exist:

 

Stylisticaly, it's like having the choice of wearing well-made clothes that fit, and nice shoes, but specifically choosing to wear the polo shirt that is two sizes too big, khakis, a braided belt with a cell phone holster, and horrible shoes that are neither 'dressy' nor 'casual'

pity the only 2013 Audi wagon on the market right now is the 2.0T A4 (maybe you could count the A7 long hatch), you'd think they'd at least have a small US release of the RS6 to go against the E63 wagon.  That MB shooting brake for sale stateside?

 

Crosstour is atrocious, as are most wagons on the road. Subaru forester, Dodge Magnum being two that come to mind...but they look so good done right. I'd like my next car to be a CPO A6 avant, maybe '09 or '10 when they made the move to the 3.0T v6. was admiring this '07 yesterday.

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post #7842 of 10007
12/31/12 at 6:20am
^^

What do you mean? The 2013 Allroad is available in the US


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post #7843 of 10007
12/31/12 at 6:27am

yea, and I'd love to drive one but it's just a 2.0T A4 with taller suspension, skid plates and matte fenders. Maybe a 2013 A6 wagon is still forthcoming but I dont think theyll be sending us the new RS6  in avant form.

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post #7844 of 10007
12/31/12 at 6:33am
that allroad might look cool if someone lowered it, match-painted all the shitty plastic bits and put more spoke-y wheels on it, along with a different spec grille. haha.
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post #7845 of 10007
12/31/12 at 6:49am
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Originally Posted by mike1445 View Post

yea, and I'd love to drive one but it's just a 2.0T A4 with taller suspension, skid plates and matte fenders. Maybe a 2013 A6 wagon is still forthcoming but I dont think theyll be sending us the new RS6  in avant form.

The previous allroad was based on the A6. There are not going to be any A6 based wagons for the foreseeable future. They just sell enough of them. They had to price this one down. SUV's have partially killed the wagon.

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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

that allroad might look cool if someone lowered it, match-painted all the shitty plastic bits and put more spoke-y wheels on it, along with a different spec grille. haha.

Car looks good, unfortunately they took away the adjustable suspension. I've seen a few on the streets. Its actually larger than the old Allroad, but ya, they've trimmed it down. Wife has an allroad, but its the 2.7 twin turbo version in a 6 speed manual. The new car is much cheaper, our Allroad was $54k. So its not fair to compare a 40k car to a 54k car.

Anyway, point is, the other post said the A4 avant was the only car available, this is another alternative.

And the Allroad is 1.5 in higher in ride height, so I dont know what you are talking about with lowering.
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