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Sounds like sales people.

 

No, sales people usually drive an A4 or A6 and are among the fastest and most aggressive drivers. Whenever I'm in the left lane and see an Audi in the mirror I go right immediately.

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I am disappointed that the P1 does not have the F1's 1+2 seating arrangement. It's looking like yet another overpowered sports car that doesn't need to exist.
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If that panamera concept gets produced, that may be my logical step up from the M3 sedan, if ever. Unless Nissan decides to make a 4-door GTR devil.gif
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If that panamera concept gets produced, that may be my logical step up from the M3 sedan, if ever. Unless Nissan decides to make a 4-door GTR devil.gif

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I am disappointed that the P1 does not have the F1's 1+2 seating arrangement. It's looking like yet another overpowered sports car that doesn't need to exist.


I agree. based on the mp4-12c though it should be very, very good. the F1 was meant to be the ultimate road car, no expenses spared, the pinnacle of automotive engineering. I would take a Mclaren F1 over any other supercar produced today or ever, including this new prototype.

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I don't know, McLaren have yet to put out an announcement or product that fails to meet expectations; I would be inclined to believe them when they say that the P1 will be the best car in production - period.

It's a high target but they're not exactly shy of engineering challenges; if they can make a Veyron beater then they may have a genuine succsessor to the F1.
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I agree. based on the mp4-12c though it should be very, very good. the F1 was meant to be the ultimate road car, no expenses spared, the pinnacle of automotive engineering. I would take a Mclaren F1 over any other supercar produced today or ever, including this new prototype.

Me, too.
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I don't know, McLaren have yet to put out an announcement or product that fails to meet expectations; I would be inclined to believe them when they say that the P1 will be the best car in production - period.
It's a high target but they're not exactly shy of engineering challenges; if they can make a Veyron beater then they may have a genuine succsessor to the F1.

The MP4-12C was not universally acclaimed, and the Veyron is not a very high bar for best production car. I think it's a pretty stupid car in general, and Gordon Murray, the designer of the F1, seems to agree:
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"The chassis/body structure is hybrid like the last Bugatti (EB110) with carbon fiber used for the primary structure and aluminum alloy for the body and front crash structure. In this respect, the all-carbon McLaren F1 and the RTM (Resin Transfer Molding) carbon Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren are, in fact, more advanced."

"Weight saving should be by design and not a post process. Weight is the car designer's biggest enemy."

"The restrictions on styling and innovations are apparent in the Veyron — the all-wheel drive and power targets must have made the designer's life a nightmare. Although the Bugatti is quite short, it is very wide and suffers from most of the rear mid-engine problems, such as high cowl height, pedal offsets, no luggage space and poor three-quarter rear view."

"To be absolutely fair, the Veyron team did not set out to challenge the McLaren F1, Enzo or Porsche GT as the ultimate driving machine. This it certainly doesn't do at two tons with turbo lag. It also falls short of the Ferrari 612 Scaglietti and the Mercedes SLR McLaren for high-performance touring because of the outward vision problems and lack of luggage space. Where it absolutely succeeds is as a massive technical achievement — a statement for VW AG. And it will be guaranteed a place in automotive history because of the performance figures."

"The Veyron's design team must be applauded because the starting point was so wrong. Arbitrary targets of 1000 hp and 250 mph and 0-60-mph in under 3 seconds were set at the very beginning of the program. But worse still, a styling model was shown and accepted! This is a bad starting point for any car, but for a high-performance car, it's a disaster."

"One final point is that I have always felt a little responsible for starting this lunatic chase for top speed with the McLaren F1 (even though top speed was never one of our targets!), and the Bugatti Veyron should put an end to this nonsense and let the designers get on with the job of designing good fun, efficient sports cars."

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picked up a 2010 s4 today...pics to come
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Was just at the M power tour... Fucking awesome.. got to drive all the m cars around the track for an afternoon.. favourite hands down is the m3.

though the m5 is scary fast.
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I think it's kind of notable that some of the more forward-thinking cars showing in Paris right now are wearing chrome/polished wheels, whereas the sure production cars that are intended for imminent release are still wearing the usual black/gunmetal etc wheels. I am glad black and gunmetal are going by the wayside.

I wonder if Porsche is really going to go through on the wagon? Besides the show car stuff on it, the technology seems very current and feasible. The front clip shows like a Panamera facelift/2nd gen. Other makers in the past have shown random concept wagons at shows though, and then chickened out and just made a normal sedan from them instead. The previous generation A8 was shown as a wagon when it was a concept way back in like, 1999:

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Gordon Murray is a genius.
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Someone had asked a question about RR reliability.  First one I owned was a nightmare, piston head replacement, eas replacement, so many things I can't remember, lived in the shop.  That being said I was hit from behind on I-25 by a tacoma at about 50 mph, my car hit the car in front of me a Montero, which hit the car in front of it.  My car was the only one that drove away, it was still written off because the bodywork would have cost more than the car was worth in the books, although with the work put in and the condition it was worth easily twice bluebook value.  My 2002 has been great, eas replacement is kind of a given with cars getting to 10 years old, other than that just usual RR stuff, leaky gaskets, crappy nav system. I did have some vibration issues after the lift but thats my fault and was fixed with custom double cardom prop shafts (tom woods)  Has never broken down on trail.  I've heard nightmare stories of pre 2000 p38s though thats the year when all the electronics were switched over to bosch.  I looked at 15 trucks before buying the one I wanted, most others were in shitty condition in and out even with less mileage.  You can check dip sticks kick tires and whatnot but nothing tells more than actually driving the car.  Some you could really feel the horses that escaped them over the years.  Don't buy a 4.0, my 4.6 feels underpowered as is.  I bought it from a guy that owned 6 cars and babied them, all work done at the dealership etc.   Newer models are quite good, but I think they're too blobby. The all new 2013 RR takes more cues from the p38 than the L332.  If you can find a pristine classic swb (don't get a lwb the proportions are hideous)  preferably a 95' that was the last year they made them and also the only year with an updated interior and electrics, buy that thing it will always be a classic, and they're getting hard to find.  If you can't find a 95 at least get one with the 3.7 L engine the 3.5 was crap.  Looking at bluebooks prices are starting to increase after 17 years of falling, soon to be a full on classic.

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The S1 RR is a classic already, for sure - but it's still so scary to even think of buying one. Everybody wants a RR but so few would be able to keep their sanity I think. Anybody I know with a RR says they wish somebody would come set it on fire, because the insurance payout would be more than whatever shop bill they have on it already.
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I think it's kind of notable that some of the more forward-thinking cars showing in Paris right now are wearing chrome/polished wheels, whereas the sure production cars that are intended for imminent release are still wearing the usual black/gunmetal etc wheels. I am glad black and gunmetal are going by the wayside.

I wonder if Porsche is really going to go through on the wagon? Besides the show car stuff on it, the technology seems very current and feasible. The front clip shows like a Panamera facelift/2nd gen. Other makers in the past have shown random concept wagons at shows though, and then chickened out and just made a normal sedan from them instead. The previous generation A8 was shown as a wagon when it was a concept way back in like, 1999:
 

the darker wheels can look good here and there but they really caught on and , not a fan of chrome personlly i think id only ever go with a bright silver/brushed.

 

i feel like Audi always got a really enthusiastic response to the S/RS4 and S/RS6 avants but sales could never warranted huge production. Responding to that enthusiasm for that kind of low production, high performance with the Porsche brand seems like a perfect next step, pretty smart move IMHO

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i feel like Audi always got a really enthusiastic response to the S/RS4 and S/RS6 avants but sales could never warranted huge production. Responding to that enthusiasm for that kind of low production, high performance with the Porsche brand seems like a perfect next step, pretty smart move IMHO

 

As for the RS', I only seem to see the Avant versions, not the saloon. Could be because I'm in Europe, though, where wagons are way more popular than saloons. And if I'm not mistaken the RS' are not sold in NA anyway, right? All that would contradict you feeling, but I could be mistaken, of course.

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