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post #6916 of 14475

I love how dirty those floor mats look. Guy apparently won't drive it, but obviously spends a lot of time sitting in the thing wishing he did. rolleyes.gif
post #6917 of 14475
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Originally Posted by sonick View Post

If I had a Ferrari F40 I'd baby it too, but that is not what I had in mind.

If I had any exotic, I would drive the shit out of it - in winter, I would put fucking snow chains on it and keep on driving it. No point in owning it if you aren't going to use it...
post #6918 of 14475
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Originally Posted by JMRouse View Post

I love how dirty those floor mats look. Guy apparently won't drive it, but obviously spends a lot of time sitting in the thing wishing he did. rolleyes.gif

You have to start those cars all the time to keep the hoses moist (twss) and the battery charged. It might have 30 miles on it, but it probably has many hours on the engine that would exceed 30 miles in a normal car.
post #6919 of 14475
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Originally Posted by akatsuki View Post

If I had any exotic, I would drive the shit out of it - in winter, I would put fucking snow chains on it and keep on driving it. No point in owning it if you aren't going to use it...
Couldn't agree more. If it's in my garage, then it's gonna be an active part of the rotation, year round.
post #6920 of 14475
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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post

Collectibility went down the drain? Isn't the Enzo going for almost twice the release price? The F40 seems to be doing pretty good as well.

Did you read the next paragraph? The F40 is a completely different beast altogether and can't be compared to the Enzo and SLR.

For sale prices and what things actually sells for, is often not the same, especially when we talk cars, houses, watches, furniture etc.
post #6921 of 14475
Yeah the F40 is truly one of the best cars ever made. Still expensive but it's amazing that one can still find one for sale nowadays, in the near future, that won't be so.

The SLR is underrated and misunderstood, though. It is also a classic for the future, but it's market value doesn't represent that now. Because it came priced like the C-GT and the Enzo (at least the Enzo's msrp, not market value) - people expected it to be an all-out hypercar, but it wasn't really supposed to be. I'd love an SLR, especially the roadster version. It's the ultimate SL, that way.
post #6922 of 14475
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Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post

Did you read the next paragraph? The F40 is a completely different beast altogether and can't be compared to the Enzo and SLR.
For sale prices and what things actually sells for, is often not the same, especially when we talk cars, houses, watches, furniture etc.

I did. I read the whole thing as "collectibility down the drain, etc., and as an example there is this one SLR near me that ..."

I didn't think there was much more to read into beyond that, but woe is me.
post #6923 of 14475
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

The SLR is underrated and misunderstood, though. It is also a classic for the future, but it's market value doesn't represent that now. Because it came priced like the C-GT and the Enzo (at least the Enzo's msrp, not market value) - people expected it to be an all-out hypercar, but it wasn't really supposed to be. I'd love an SLR, especially the roadster version. It's the ultimate SL, that way.

SLR always struck me as more of a GT car instead of a hypercar, but at $450K one of the most expensive GT cars I can think of.
post #6924 of 14475
I think the Enzo's market prices are less related to what it can do compared to current cars and more about what the car stood for when it came out. Also, I think people saw what had happened with the F40 and tried to front run the Enzo with the same logic (limited production car, sought after world over, posters on kids' walls, highly advanced at time of production, etc.). Saying that an Enzo shouldn't be worth a lot of money because its performance is comparable to a 991 Turbo is not sound logic. A 250 GT California is a terrible performance machine by today's standards. Does not impact its price, though.

FWIW, I don't really think an Enzo should be $1MM+, but I am not the one setting the market.
post #6925 of 14475
people were quick to artificially boost the Enzo's price on hype, based on previous market performance of the F40 and F50, and Ferraris in general had great market performance. Really has nothing to do with the 250 California, which had 50 years to appreciate to it's current market value. Part of the Enzo doubling in price right out of the gate was the fact that basically the entire public was forced to buy it on the secondary market, as they offered it to F40/F50 owners only. The same will happen with the F70.
post #6926 of 14475
the Ford GT is another car that seems to hold its value extremely well.
post #6927 of 14475
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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post

I did. I read the whole thing as "collectibility down the drain, etc., and as an example there is this one SLR near me that ..."
I didn't think there was much more to read into beyond that, but woe is me.

I need to learn to explain myself better, Drew is on to where I was going.
post #6928 of 14475
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Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post

I need to learn to explain myself better, Drew is on to where I was going.

that'd be nice. And I'd start by explaining what you meant with the whole "collectibility down the drain" and mentioning the Enzo, as whatever point you're trying to make isn't clear to me.
post #6929 of 14475
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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post

that'd be nice. And I'd start by explaining what you meant with the whole "collectibility down the drain" and mentioning the Enzo, as whatever point you're trying to make isn't clear to me.

I just don't get why anyone would pay 1mill+ for a 8 year old hyper car, which isn't as purebred as it's predecesors like the F40, F50 and F1 and is slower than the current slower and more expensive to buy, own and run than the current super car line up, but thats just me.

You can get a brand new Zonda or Konigsegg, for the same money and those things are in my world more likely to be collectable, the same thing goes for the Aston Virage with it's 18 months run.
post #6930 of 14475
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Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post

I just don't get why anyone would pay 1mill+ for a 8 year old hyper car, which isn't as purebred as it's predecesors like the F40, F50 and F1 and is slower than the current slower and more expensive to buy, own and run than the current super car line up, but thats just me.

You can get a brand new Zonda or Konigsegg, for the same money and those things are in my world more likely to be collectable, the same thing goes for the Aston Virage with it's 18 months run.


Does it matter if it's slower and more expensive to run if the owner will never drive the vehicle? I don't believe those are factoring in much in the minds of these wealthy collectors. It's more about the idea around the car and being able know you own it.

Having said that, I think it's a little nuts too but I don't have the means to spend that kind of cash on a car. More so for one that I will end up just looking at. Maybe if I did, I would feel differently.
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