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post #5716 of 14805
^^ I don't understand sports wagons. Wagons are like family cars where you put your dog in the back or your picnic basket (never both together).
post #5717 of 14805
What's so hard to understand about wagons? They fit things that sedans can't (keep in mind that fold-down seats in sedans are a relatively new invention across the board, and even then, many things just don't fit)... basically as much as a small SUV. On the other hand, most people never take their SUVs off road (or can't, since many are just for looks) and they'd be better suited by a car with a lower center of gravity and more car-like performance. The E55 AMG wagon from almost 10 years ago can do a standing 1/4 mile in the low 12's and runs neck and neck with a 996 turbo, and the E wagon is fairly large and capacious...
post #5718 of 14805
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

What's so hard to understand about wagons? They fit things that sedans can't (keep in mind that fold-down seats in sedans are a relatively new invention across the board, and even then, many things just don't fit)... basically as much as a small SUV. On the other hand, most people never take their SUVs off road (or can't, since many are just for looks) and they'd be better suited by a car with a lower center of gravity and more car-like performance. The E55 AMG wagon from almost 10 years ago can do a standing 1/4 mile in the low 12's and runs neck and neck with a 996 turbo, and the E wagon is fairly large and capacious...

The new E class wagon has a bigger boot than the current X5.
post #5719 of 14805
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Originally Posted by blahman View Post

^^ I don't understand sports wagons. Wagons are like family cars where you put your dog in the back or your picnic basket (never both together).

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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

What's so hard to understand about wagons? They fit things that sedans can't (keep in mind that fold-down seats in sedans are a relatively new invention across the board, and even then, many things just don't fit)... basically as much as a small SUV. On the other hand, most people never take their SUVs off road (or can't, since many are just for looks) and they'd be better suited by a car with a lower center of gravity and more car-like performance. The E55 AMG wagon from almost 10 years ago can do a standing 1/4 mile in the low 12's and runs neck and neck with a 996 turbo, and the E wagon is fairly large and capacious...

I'm with blahman. I understand the concept of wagons. Makes sense.

I don't understand the concept of sports wagons, though. Totally defeats the purpose of having a car that drives faster and better by having a fat ass boot and additional weight.

I know I'm being ignorant, but sports wagons and high performance SUVs should not exist.
post #5720 of 14805

utility + fun + DAT ASS. whats not to get? i prefer some people dont get it, anyway. 

post #5721 of 14805
the boot doesn't add much weight

E63 sedan: 4347lbs
E63T wagon: 4510lbs

160 lbs is a nominal weight increase for a car that weighs 4350lbs to begin with. There's also the fact that the E63 wagon is a 7 passenger car, while the sedan is a 5-placer.

sedan stats:
0-60 : 3.8s
1/4 mi : 12.1 @120.8mph
braking, 60mph-0 : 103ft (ceramic brakes)
.93 lateral g
16/24mpg

wagon stats
0.-60: 3.9s
1/4 mi: 12.2 @ 118.6mph
braking, 60-0: 105ft (non-ceramic brakes)
.92 lateral g
15/23mpg

And GreenFrog, your beloved E92 M3, for comparison:

0-60: 4.1s
1/4mi: 12.6@113.2mph
braking 60-0 =110ft
.95g
14/20mpg

One can hold 7 passengers or a proper wagon's worth of cargo, the other can't. Now do you understand sport wagons?
post #5722 of 14805

not saying sports SUVs and to a slightly lesser point aren't impractical, but aren't all sports cars?

post #5723 of 14805
A sports wagon is totally practical. I can understand the aversion (and that's almost strictly an American thing, as sports wagons are outrageously popular in Europe and Japan, and the rest of the Asian markets aren't developed/matured enough to appreciate cars like this), but saying they're impractical is way off base - just look at the numbers.
Imagine if HRoi replaced his M3 sedan with the E63T wagon - he'd have an E63 and a 997 GT3, that's like a one-two for street/track cars, and as you can see above, the E63 gets slightly better mileage, is much bigger and utilitarian (most people don't ever use the 7 passenger feature, but I would very occasionally) and it's even faster than the M3.
post #5724 of 14805
I meant impractical only In the power and girth in the respect that the X6 is impractical and thirsty, wagons are not the same animal
post #5725 of 14805

07 BMW 530i Sport/Premium Pkg

 

Thought I would add my vehicle to the thread. 

post #5726 of 14805
Not my picture, but I have one just the same and my what a slut she is smile.gif

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post #5727 of 14805
But can a wagon handle as well as a sedan/coupe around the track? I don't really care for 0-60 times. The engines are completely different and Mercs are all about monster torque.

I just don't get performance wagons. Why not get a regular wagon and a high performance coup/sedan?
post #5728 of 14805
The sedan pulls .93 lateral g's, the wagon does .92g. It's a long wheelbase car and has crushing power all the way to the top it seems, I'm sure it's not pretty to look at on a track but it'd get around a track pretty quickly if you got angry with it.

And why not get a high powered sports wagon if you can afford it? It's no different than a sedan in this case. If anything, your argument is illogical when you start putting a sports sedan above the wagon - the wagon has actual utilitarian value to explain it's weight, whereas most sports sedans, much less so, and a sports sedan is no closer to a real sports car than the wagon is, especially in the case of the E63.
post #5729 of 14805
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

And why not get a high powered sports wagon if you can afford it? It's no different than a sedan in this case. If anything, your argument is illogical when you start putting a sports sedan above the wagon - the wagon has actual utilitarian value to explain it's weight, whereas most sports sedans, much less so, and a sports sedan is no closer to a real sports car than the wagon is, especially in the case of the E63.
+1 on this. I love sport wagons.
post #5730 of 14805
Also, you will understand this concept better when you get to be 30 or so and start buying things like furniture and houseplants, possibly even have a baby on purpose... there are no coupes that handle these things well.
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