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post #3166 of 14185
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Originally Posted by Arthur PE View Post

yep, like them both

waiting for guffman wasn't too bad either

was there one other they did? more recent?
 

but spinal tap (many of the same crew) is killer


Yeah, I haven't seen all the Guest films. I hear Guffman and Spinal Tap are the best.



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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post
Is it a size issue (no small dick joke)?

There's a youtube out there of a turbo Patrol drag racing a lambo somewhere in the ME I would guess from the audio.

Huh, seems there is a ton of Patrol turbo. Do a youtube search.


That.....is not stock.

 

post #3167 of 14185
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Originally Posted by Huntsman View Post

That.....is not stock.

Heh, you are no doubt correct.

I've been watching some promos of the new Patrol/QX though. It seems exceedingly competent off road and actually rides a bit better than my Rover did. I have never been impressed by an Infiniti SUV but have to say the new QX is pretty impressive. IMO, some of the electronics are the best of any large SUV. The wrap around camera is very cool and I could see it being of huge use off-roading.
post #3168 of 14185
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Is it a size issue (no small dick joke)?
There's a youtube out there of a turbo Patrol drag racing a lambo somewhere in the ME I would guess from the audio.
Huh, seems there is a ton of Patrol turbo. Do a youtube search.

it is a bit, at least in urban areas - many parking spaces are height-limited, some length limited as well. Ride height has never been an issue in Japan as the infrastructure here is great, glass smooth even on remote islands. Beyond that, the price of car ownership hinges on all of the factors besides the actual price of the car here (the average urban person here can probably afford to float anything besides a truly exotic car), so a large domestic SUV is completely unattractive. SUV's are mostly irrelevant but got popular following the Hollywood'ish boom some years ago, so if you see an SUV it's an imported German one or a RR, sometimes a flaunty American one. Status regarding cars in Japan comes from not only the badge but the displacement of the engine, because there's a tax in brackets based on engine size. Most cars here are below 3.0L but something like a Viper would be considered baller as hell because you're paying like 10 large in displacement tax on it every year plus the same in gas money - meaning you really, really like that car enough to own it.

Funnily enough though, some Japanese people like to buy grey-market versions of medium-large Japanese-made SUVs if they have the steering wheel on the left side and aren't sold here (or at least aren't offered here in the same spec), like Infiniti QX's, the medium sized body on frame Lexus, etc. In that case, they think they're buying a rare imported car, and it's true, they won't see many of them on the roads. You might buy a Ferrari 360 but you'll pass a couple everytime you take it out on the weekends, but a QX45 you might see only monthly or something.
post #3169 of 14185
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Originally Posted by sonick View Post

This intrigues me, how does this work? Is it strictly automotive or is it more general? What's the next color trend on the horizon?

The association brings together numerous decision makers and puts them together on committees by industry. Each committee issues a report describing color trends and why. They are very accurate because they are written by the people who actually make the color decisions at the major companies including auto paint and auto manufacturers.

I worked primarily with Home Decor and Fashion but read the Auto and Appliance reports every now and then.

Here is a summery of a report from 2006. Read it and see how accurate it was

http://www.pcimag.com/articles/basf-issues-three-to-six-year-color-trend-forecast-for-car-owners


Companies pay a lot of money to belong to these groups and to access this research so don't expect to see much of this available for free on line except after the fact.


However, one fact remains, there are a few classic colors and then there are fashion colors. When the fashion colors begin to sunset in popularity it becomes hard to sell your car.
post #3170 of 14185
is that an American thing? Americans love to buy cars in funky colors and it doesn't affect the resale wildly, but if I buy a forest green Porsche in Asia I can kiss like 50% of the resale goodbye - everything here will be white, black, silver or red (limited to Ferraris only) forever.
post #3171 of 14185
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i Americans love to buy cars in funky colors and it doesn't affect the resale wildly,

That statement isn't true. The resale value of cars is highly effected by the color. You couldn't sell a Mercedes in brown a few years ago. In fact in 2004 when I bought my Cayenne, they could sell them in the US at full sticker because they were so popular and new. However, they couldn't sell any of the white Cayennes. The dealers in California were having "White Sales" at huge discounts. But only for the white Cayennes.

The funny thing is now the white SUV trend has changed and white SUV's including Cayennes are popular.
post #3172 of 14185

a cars color vs resale value isn't as critical as it once was now that we are in the age of internet national selling

ebay and autotrader changed everything, along with marque specific websites

 

in a country of 310 mil, someone will want my yellow toy car, only 2000 RS4's in north america, and only 60 yellow, and only 3 w/o sunroofs

 

when the time comes it will sell, and I'll be satisfied with what I recover

post #3173 of 14185
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Originally Posted by pocketsquareguy View Post

That statement isn't true. The resale value of cars is highly effected by the color. You couldn't sell a Mercedes in brown a few years ago. In fact in 2004 when I bought my Cayenne, they could sell them in the US at full sticker because they were so popular and new. However, they couldn't sell any of the white Cayennes. The dealers in California were having "White Sales" at huge discounts. But only for the white Cayennes.
The funny thing is now the white SUV trend has changed and white SUV's including Cayennes are popular.

you are talking about a differential of like, $3,000 or something that would end up being $100 a month on somebody's $1000/month car payment... I am talking an amount like $10K-30K based on exterior color if it's not black/white/silver. For example, the local AMG CLS-class used car listings; there isn't anything that's not white/black/silver in here, but there was a green CLS63 a couple months ago and it was selling for the price of an older first-year CLS55, so it was probably penalized by 15-20K:

http://ucar.autos.yahoo.co.jp/model/amg/S010/?sort=MainPrice&sort_order=1&page=1

There was a green 911 C4S on yahoo Japan (i think it's still there) - it's like $35K when the same year C4S are nearer $55K. It's green and up north on Hokkaido island, so it's gonna be cheap.

The reason I say this is because cars come out in new colors with every generation like a slow version of fashion, but in slower, more developed economies where cars are more advanced status symbols like Japan, the staple white/black/grey-silver cars tend to dominate due to hierarchical societal things.

In Asia (because it follows Japan) it's been known that a worker's car (often a company/fleet car with no options) should be white, a manager's car should be black, and a sports car is red (or some bright primary color, basically) - silver cars (i.e. a Mercedes) tends to fit in somewhere below the manager's car but above a workman's car.
post #3174 of 14185
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Huh, seems there is a ton of Patrol turbo. Do a youtube search.

The UAE Patrols in those videos have 1300-1500 hp, as far as I know.

The only people who buy patrols are people, who want to use them for their 4*4 capabilities, the same pretty much goes for Landcruisers.

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Originally Posted by pocketsquareguy View Post

That statement isn't true. The resale value of cars is highly effected by the color. You couldn't sell a Mercedes in brown a few years ago. In fact in 2004 when I bought my Cayenne, they could sell them in the US at full sticker because they were so popular and new. However, they couldn't sell any of the white Cayennes. The dealers in California were having "White Sales" at huge discounts. But only for the white Cayennes.
The funny thing is now the white SUV trend has changed and white SUV's including Cayennes are popular.

Are white cars still stylish in the US?

That trend peaked in late 09 here in europe, the market got so saturated that people burned their cars, as they couldn't sell them, though some people still haven't got the massage and buy white cars with black roof and wheels. crazy.gif

I believe that you guys missed a step in the trend cycle, as it went from white to bright colours (red, blue, green etc), which was a direct response to people being tired of the blandness of white and then to the browns and grey, which was led by porsche.

Most trends runs in cycles, car colours normally run in a 10 year cycle brown was the most sold colour the us in the most popular colour in the US ten or so years ago and red resurfaces once every decade.
post #3175 of 14185
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Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post




The only people who buy patrols are people, who want to use them for their 4*4 capabilities, the same pretty much goes for Landcruisers.

This is remarkably incorrect.
post #3176 of 14185
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

you are talking about a differential of like, $3,000 or something that would end up being $100 a month on somebody's $1000/month car payment... I am talking an amount like $10K-30K based on exterior color if it's not black/white/silver. For example, the local AMG CLS-class used car listings; there isn't anything that's not white/black/silver in here, but there was a green CLS63 a couple months ago and it was selling for the price of an older first-year CLS55, so it was probably penalized by 15-20K.


Pending on the style and price of the car, if we are talking about a 40-50k car 2-3k sounds about right, I think speciality and big German cars, are more prone to having big price differences especially if you buy some retarded colour like pink or baby blue you could easily hit a bigger number, a mate of mine build his gf a pink tt, he had to respray it to sell it.

Dark green are fairly rare (at least in Europe unless you buy a jag or something), so they will go fairly quickly with out a big reduction, as there will be people searching for one, like you.

I don't think cheaper cars like Suzuki etc. have the same issues when it comes to colour, as people don't care about the cars, as it's a way to get from a to b.

I have noticed that it's hard to find amg's in other colours than black, silver and blue, I was looking in to getting a ML63 or a c63 coupe a while ago and I couldn't find a dark blue or dark grey, so I think AMG buyers a very conservative, which may have something to do with it as well.
post #3177 of 14185
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

This is remarkably incorrect.

I never see a patrols on the streets without chunky tires and snorkels, but that maybe different everywhere else.
post #3178 of 14185
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Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post

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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

This is remarkably incorrect.

I never see a patrols on the streets without chunky tires and snorkels, but that maybe different everywhere else.

Now this is a wise answer.

FWIW, I often see various SUVs and trucks with chunky tires and snorkels...as I drive to work early in the morning. I would expect that at 6am on a Tuesday those folks are most likely not heading out to 4x4. wink.gif
post #3179 of 14185
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

you are talking about a differential of like, $3,000 or something that would end up being $100 a month on somebody's $1000/month car payment... I am talking an amount like $10K-30K based on exterior color if it's not black/white/silver. For example, the local AMG CLS-class used car listings; there isn't anything that's not white/black/silver in here, but there was a green CLS63 a couple months ago and it was selling for the price of an older first-year CLS55, so it was probably penalized by 15-20K:
http://ucar.autos.yahoo.co.jp/model/amg/S010/?sort=MainPrice&sort_order=1&page=1
There was a green 911 C4S on yahoo Japan (i think it's still there) - it's like $35K when the same year C4S are nearer $55K. It's green and up north on Hokkaido island, so it's gonna be cheap.
The reason I say this is because cars come out in new colors with every generation like a slow version of fashion, but in slower, more developed economies where cars are more advanced status symbols like Japan, the staple white/black/grey-silver cars tend to dominate due to hierarchical societal things.
In Asia (because it follows Japan) it's been known that a worker's car (often a company/fleet car with no options) should be white, a manager's car should be black, and a sports car is red (or some bright primary color, basically) - silver cars (i.e. a Mercedes) tends to fit in somewhere below the manager's car but above a workman's car.

Thats why i get my cars wrapped. Lasts about 7 years (longer than i keep a car) and costs around 700. Getting flat bright green on a Porsche Cayman this summer. When it is time to sell i can just peel it off if the new buyer wishes.
post #3180 of 14185
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Now this is a wise answer.
FWIW, I often see various SUVs and trucks with chunky tires and snorkels...as I drive to work early in the morning. I would expect that at 6am on a Tuesday those folks are most likely not heading out to 4x4. wink.gif

Who says they don't go greenlaning on the weekend etc.
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