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post #3046 of 14199
I saw the 991 while peering through the dealership's window earlier this week. What I saw of the exterior looked good. I'll be going to the Chicago autoshow either tomorrow or Saturday, and hope to take a closer look. (I didn't know the show was starting tomorrow until I arrived in Chicago today. Now that I'm here I wouldn't miss it for anything.)
post #3047 of 14199
I like the toyota front a little better? Why are they selling the same car under so many badges
post #3048 of 14199
I think the Subaru is the better looking of the two and I've seen a bunch of them in person at the car shows, but neither is great looking. I realize how much it costs but it just looks cheap and not particularly special. The power output is also kinda dismal. They come with huge tailpipes, like maybe 6-8" wide, I think they may be even bigger than the ones on the GTR - but this 86 only has 160hp, wtf....
post #3049 of 14199
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

I think the Subaru is the better looking of the two and I've seen a bunch of them in person at the car shows, but neither is great looking. I realize how much it costs but it just looks cheap and not particularly special. The power output is also kinda dismal. They come with huge tailpipes, like maybe 6-8" wide, I think they may be even bigger than the ones on the GTR - but this 86 only has 160hp, wtf....

I think they're meant to be more like a base car for tuners and track cars, which are still fairly nimble and "spritely" in stock form. Watching the videos of them being raced around seem like good fun. Not every car needs a 400hp behemoth engine to have fun in...
post #3050 of 14199
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

I think the Subaru is the better looking of the two and I've seen a bunch of them in person at the car shows, but neither is great looking. I realize how much it costs but it just looks cheap and not particularly special. The power output is also kinda dismal. They come with huge tailpipes, like maybe 6-8" wide, I think they may be even bigger than the ones on the GTR - but this 86 only has 160hp, wtf....

GT86 has 200hp, all three of them does.

Subaru definitely looks best of the three. If you really think about it though, this car is more of a niche car. It's rear-wheel drive and should handle and corner like the Cayman (or close to it). This isn't a drag racer 0-60 in 4.0 seconds flat, you can buy a V8 Mustang, Camaro, Charger, etc... for little more $$$ if that is your goal. But this is a fun car to drive on and off the track. Similarly priced to the Miata, which has held that title for it's price range (plus the Toyotbaru looks 100x better than a Miata). Hyundai Genesis Coupe is really it's only other competition and boasts a lot more power but I've driven that on the track and while it's surprisingly powerful, it is holding a lick to the Miata. 370Z is ugly to me and is starting at $32k here in the US, I think it's starting at $40k in Canada while I'm hearing some people are pre-ordering in Canada and getting a ballpark price of $25k. The BRZ supposedly going to start at $24k with a premium version starting at $27k. I think that is a pretty good price for what you get, sure we want more power and more features, who doesn't but I think this is a good, lighweight RWD fun car to drive.

Interior looks decent too, for the Subaru anyways. Seats looks nice.
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post #3051 of 14199
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Originally Posted by whiteslashasian View Post

I think they're meant to be more like a base car for tuners and track cars, which are still fairly nimble and "spritely" in stock form. Watching the videos of them being raced around seem like good fun. Not every car needs a 400hp behemoth engine to have fun in...

This is true, in Japan, the GT86 is coming out with a purist version which gets rid of the a/c, cup holders, etc.. whatever weight reduction they can do and for a cheaper price too (unlike Porsche). They even have 16" steelies to reduce weight and unpainted bumpers to opens it up for full on customization.
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post #3052 of 14199
Went to the Chicago Auto Show today. I saw the cars I've considered, and as a result of seeing them in person, I ruled out the MB CLS63. The car just didn't appeal to me inside or out. I'd seen one on the street in Arizona this past December and wasn't all that excited about it, but thought it was growing on me. The one at the Chicago show, upon closer inspection, suggested to me that the car is simply not all that special. Of all the MB's they had, the CL63 appealed to me the most - that car was gorgeous, especially the Designo interior.

Other cars that caught my attention included the Audi S8, it didn't disappoint, it's a beautiful car, especially the interior. The M5 impressed me much more than I'd expected. The Porsche 991looked great, I really liked it. The car I wouldn't care to own but really liked was the Lexus LF-LC. That car looked phenomenal.

There were several MB's with matte finishes: the new SL, a CLS550, the CL63, and an E63 Estate. I hated the finish on all except the CL, and I wasn't that crazy about it on that one. They looked like cars that had been primed, and were waiting on the finishing coat. They looked awful to me.

The other thing about the show was all the school aged children there running around and playing in the cars. It was very annoying. It was early afternoon on a school day, why weren't they in school, and why didn't their parents control them? Overall a good show that I was glad to attend.
post #3053 of 14199
Steelies, now there's a word I haven't heard in years lol.

JJ, that is the thing I despise about going to the LA autoshow. It's like all the people who can't afford the cars are the ones there in full force dismantling them to the point where they have to remove ashtrays and shift knobs etc so they don't get stolen. The kids and all the fucking strollers drive me crazy that's why I never go on the weekends but even then you're still fucked. It's almost worth it to pay the 100 bux and go on press night so there won't be any rug rats there.
post #3054 of 14199
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

This is true, in Japan, the GT86 is coming out with a purist version which gets rid of the a/c, cup holders, etc.. whatever weight reduction they can do and for a cheaper price too (unlike Porsche). They even have 16" steelies to reduce weight and unpainted bumpers to opens it up for full on customization.
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haha, that is great. They used to do this with the Honda R cars, I know there was an EK9 they were selling for like $12K new, steelies, no Recaros, etc, etc. Didn't know they still do this.
post #3055 of 14199
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Originally Posted by jet View Post

Steelies, now there's a word I haven't heard in years lol.
JJ, that is the thing I despise about going to the LA autoshow. It's like all the people who can't afford the cars are the ones there in full force dismantling them to the point where they have to remove ashtrays and shift knobs etc so they don't get stolen. The kids and all the fucking strollers drive me crazy that's why I never go on the weekends but even then you're still fucked. It's almost worth it to pay the 100 bux and go on press night so there won't be any rug rats there.
Yeah, I thought going in the middle of a school day would spare me all the kids. And you're right, it wasn't just the kids reigning terror on the cars. I'd never buy a car that I thought was on display at a car show, no way.
post #3056 of 14199

I used to go to car shows with my father when I was young -- I mean vintage car shows, not the industry events. My father had grown up a MOPAR guy (his first car was a Plymouth Barracuda), but he like Chevys all right, but was not a Ford guy. And that was how it was, except for maybe the odd Thunderbird.  By about the time I got my old Jag and shed blood and obscenties and an awful lot of angst over my 'baby' as it were, I got to thinking that this sort of partisanship really was very senseless because we all feel the same way about our cars, fussing and preening and worrying about unusual sounds or if <gasp> was that a miss? Or did it ping?

 

So I kind of hate pettiness about cars.. There are a million different reasons for the different design decisions that go into a car, and thus a million different experiences we can have from them. Some may want a certain rawness, grace, or silent comfort. Some may want to nail a 0-60 time. Some want to drive around in something of incredible beauty. None of those priorities are really more important, objectively, than any other, for they all spring from our innate humanity as rational and creative beings. The differences in the proportion of these qualities in us combined with out priorities give rise to different desires, and thus there is argument about them, but I think it foolish to try and claim any particular characteristic as the ascendant one.  I wish we had more true variety, for the greatest sin against humanity that can be committed by design is banality.
 

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Originally Posted by JayJay View Post
 The car I wouldn't care to own but really liked was the Lexus LF-LC. That car looked phenomenal.

 That's just a concept, right?

 

~ H
 

 

post #3057 of 14199
^^^Yes, it's a concept car.
post #3058 of 14199
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Originally Posted by jet View Post

JJ, that is the thing I despise about going to the LA autoshow. It's like all the people who can't afford the cars are the ones there in full force dismantling them to the point where they have to remove ashtrays and shift knobs etc so they don't get stolen. The kids and all the fucking strollers drive me crazy that's why I never go on the weekends but even then you're still fucked. It's almost worth it to pay the 100 bux and go on press night so there won't be any rug rats there.

Oh man, I know exactly what you mean. I never miss the LA Autoshow and I always get into a fight with dads who let their 10 yr old kids sit in the car all day long. I wanted to sit on the Cayman R but this kid just sat there playing for 5 minutes. I was like WTF, told the kid nicely to play and check out the other cars and the dad got in my face. Fucking idiots think the autoshow is a damn amusement park.
post #3059 of 14199
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Originally Posted by BrianVarick View Post

I like the toyota front a little better? Why are they selling the same car under so many badges

Its nothing new the VAG group has done it for years the lupo/arosa sharan/galaxy/Alhambra, it's the same with the new up/citigo, the only difference is the interior quality, the badge and the price everything else is pretty mch interchangeable.

Honda/acura, Toyota/scion and Nissan/infiniti has done multiple times as well.

Here in Europe we have Peugeot 107, Toyota Aygo and Citroen c1 which are the same, as well are a lot of vans.
post #3060 of 14199
It's a collaboration and also because Toyota owns ~20% shares of Subaru. Subaru built the boxer engine with a few things here and there and Toyota did pretty much everything else.
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