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post #27511 of 27592
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

The Quadrifoglio is a pretty cool option to an M3 or C63.  It's probably ok for a lease, but I wouldn't buy one or keep one long term.  A high end detail shop had one of their 4C in for a clear bra a few mods.  They said the quality and engineering compared to German cars just isn't there.  Granted they were talking 4Cs relative to say Caymans/Boxsters and BMWs ...but I'd guess their sedans probably are the same relative to sedans from BMW, MB, Audi etc.                            

To be fair, the 4C is a special animal. Nothing but a Lotus Elise/Exige come close to offering the same combination of price, dynamics and driving experience--and neither of those are sold in the US anymore, nor have a carbon fiber chassis. The carbon chassis alone is so unique and exceptional at $60K, I don't think one can knock the 4C for many of its compromises versus the German competition, as it isn't really competition.

The Quadrifoglio is a totally different endeavor. It's meant to take on BMW, Mercedes, etc., head-on. Not saying that removes all doubt regarding Alfa's questionable history of reliability, but I certainly don't think you can extrapolate much from the 4C.
post #27512 of 27592
Fit and finish on Alfas are not as good as the Germans, its true. Interior materials used are not as good, and the Quad they exhibited at the Miami auto show had excessive panel gaps, ffs laugh.gif

Now some cars are so great to drive that you don't care that you have shitty switchgear, etc. the original Viper was one of those. Will have to drive the GQ to see if it's one of those
post #27513 of 27592

Thrifted some new shoes for the whip.


Enkei rims for "Syms". with Advan hard compound street tires.

glad to get them on. :D

post #27514 of 27592
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post


To be fair, the 4C is a special animal. Nothing but a Lotus Elise/Exige come close to offering the same combination of price, dynamics and driving experience--and neither of those are sold in the US anymore, nor have a carbon fiber chassis. The carbon chassis alone is so unique and exceptional at $60K, I don't think one can knock the 4C for many of its compromises versus the German competition, as it isn't really competition.

The Quadrifoglio is a totally different endeavor. It's meant to take on BMW, Mercedes, etc., head-on. Not saying that removes all doubt regarding Alfa's questionable history of reliability, but I certainly don't think you can extrapolate much from the 4C.

The 4C is an interesting concept, and yes its carbon fiber chassis is unique at its  price point.   I can accept that it has some compromises, but honestly, its transmission is clunky and can't compete with PDK in a Boxster or Cayman, and the 4C isn't available with a manual so it couldn't really compete with an Elise/Exige.  Not to mention, in a comparison with the Porsche 981S, the 981 was quicker, out handles it, and is better built.  That being said, I can understand if someone chose a 4C because they wanted something different.  Personally, as the owner of an older Italian sports car I can accept quirky or compromised for a weekend fun car.

 

However, when it comes to a daily driver, I'd want something well built, dependable, and with a good dealer network.  I don't know any modern Alfa owners, but from the few modern Maser owners I've known, they aren't the most reliable or trouble free cars.  They just do not have the build quality or engineering that one gets from BMW, MB, Audi etc.  Sadly, I doubt Alfa being further down the food chain than Maser will offer a car that can compete with the Germans in terms of engineering and reliability.  Not to mention, I have several MB, BMW, and Audi dealers around if i need service or a loaner on short notice.  At this point for me, Alfa dealers are few and far between so its not a very convenient option for me.  It will be interesting to see how Guilias do here and in the long term...but I have serious doubts about them. 

post #27515 of 27592
I have doubts about their long term viability too. I like the Giulia and if the closest dealer wasn't a half hour away, I would seriously consider one. But all the things you mention just don't make it practical.
post #27516 of 27592
I have an Alfa dealer 7 miles away from me so that's a good thing. And on a short term lease the worst that could happen is that I'm wasting lease payments while the car's in the shop (ideally the losses in that scenario are capped by the lemon law).

I just learned, however, that the GQ only comes with an automatic transmission. Not a DCT - a slushbox. Wtf?!
post #27517 of 27592
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

I have an Alfa dealer 7 miles away from me so that's a good thing. And on a short term lease the worst that could happen is that I'm wasting lease payments while the car's in the shop (ideally the losses in that scenario are capped by the lemon law).

I just learned, however, that the GQ only comes with an automatic transmission. Not a DCT - a slushbox. Wtf?!

Ignoring Alfa's reputation for rust and a lack of reliability, Quadrifoglio seemed like a cool idea in the abstract, since we were looking for a new daily driver for Mrs. Dino.  But being in the Northeast the lack of AWD was a big negative, as the Mrs. has to be able to get to the hospital for work even when roads aren't well plowed.  When I looked up dealer locations, it was a joke...50 minutes to 75 minutes away (and that's if their is no traffic).  Its also a pet peeve when dealers call themselves Alfa Romeo of "Major City X,"  but they are actually located in a suburb a half hour outside of the named major city.  Not to mention, a few of the places they are affiliated with seem small and I can't imagine they have a fleet of loaner cars.  With the German car companies, its easy to get a loaner car even with short notice when something happens unexpectedly.  So while a cool car in the abstract it was never really in the running for us.

post #27518 of 27592

I was stuck in a snow bank within 2 minutes of driving my gf's FWD car with new all seasons...
Having Awd and winter tires has made me completely oblivious to any snow build up on the side of the road. My car legitimately doesn't care about it. I found it incredibly comical that her tires were spinning in place where I could see the ground.

 

She didn't share my amusement...
A neighbor with a truck pulled us out in a split second, but... yikes. How do people do this in new england?

post #27519 of 27592
Car thread Brothers, I have some big news. And it's a game changer.


The Guru has finally agreed to build me an engine. bounce2.gif

It gets better, the build plan? Rebuild with mostly catalogue STi parts. Including.....
SUBARU 22-B PISTONS!! He will prepare the block to suit. And strengthen the valve train with new valves and springs. metal head gaskets from Tomei . Building the engine itself to 22-B spec. drool.gif

Then, complete fuel system overhaul from SARD, new Clutch, exhaust manifold and down pipe.

His terms? Around 7k. And he gets to choose the ECU. - a HKS V-con. (well, he is Mr HKS)
Which will run a mafless tune.

No huge power number chasing. Just a long happy life at around 350hp to the wheels. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
(car only weighs 1,270 kilograms)

The yellow 4 door 22-B is coming....
Edited by Thrift Vader - 3/21/17 at 3:55am
post #27520 of 27592
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post

I was stuck in a snow bank within 2 minutes of driving my gf's FWD car with new all seasons...

Having Awd and winter tires has made me completely oblivious to any snow build up on the side of the road. My car legitimately doesn't care about it. I found it incredibly comical that her tires were spinning in place where I could see the ground.

She didn't share my amusement...

A neighbor with a truck pulled us out in a split second, but... yikes. How do people do this in new england?

they get snow tires
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post #27522 of 27592
I'm off tomorrow and I'm going to Newark to help a friend pick up his newest acquisition - an 80's something RR Defender from the UK Ministry of Defense. Right hand drive and all.
post #27523 of 27592
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Originally Posted by gong View Post


they get snow tires

 

Been telling her that for two winters. So it goes.

post #27524 of 27592

To become a cog in the international arbitrage machine or not....
 

https://raleigh.craigslist.org/bus/6054187718.html

post #27525 of 27592

pff, 

 

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 *Financing or Leasing the car is more likely to succeed than a cash deal. This is because the dealership has some requirements to sell these particular cars. 
*We cover the down payment when you finance the car, and then payoff the loan immediately

This doesn't scream scam?

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