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voxsartoria · Jun 1, 2010

Originally Posted by whnay.

Just bought a new m3, picking it up today.

Good choice, young man.

- B

voxsartoria · Jun 1, 2010

Originally Posted by jet

Can't bring myself to pick up a new m3.

Yep.

- B

JayJay · Jun 1, 2010

Originally Posted by sonick

IMHO, the E39 M5 was the probably closest to the most perfect sports sedan ever made.
I agree with this.

George · Jun 1, 2010

Originally Posted by voxsartoria

Good choice, young man. - B
V8 motor in that. Nice..

George · Jun 1, 2010

Originally Posted by A Y

+1 The M5, even the current version, is pretty capable: I've been on the Ring Taxi ride around the Nurburgring with Sabine Schmitz driving an E60, and that car was like putty in her hands. We were pretty much drifting sideways through every corner (on purpose, as we'd asked for a fun ride), especially if there was an audience. What I worry about is that the next M5 is supposed to have a blown engine, and with all the limp-mode issues of the current turbos, I'm not sure how well it will hold up in hard driving. --Andre
What issues?

A Y · Jun 1, 2010

Originally Posted by George

What issues?

The oil gets too hot probably because the oil coolers are too small, and the engine goes into a low-power mode to save itself. People have measured oil temps at nearly 300F after track driving, and at least 1 3rd party tuner has a larger oil cooler that helps solve this issue. The M versions of the BMW SUVs have blown V8s, and come with much larger oil coolers, but no reports from the racetrack yet. I assume the new blown M engines will be similar.

--Andre

TheFoo · Jun 1, 2010

Originally Posted by A Y

The oil gets too hot probably because the oil coolers are too small, and the engine goes into a low-power mode to save itself. People have measured oil temps at nearly 300F after track driving, and at least 1 3rd party tuner has a larger oil cooler that helps solve this issue. The M versions of the BMW SUVs have blown V8s, and come with much larger oil coolers, but no reports from the racetrack yet. I assume the new blown M engines will be similar. --Andre
Hmm. Does this apply only to the twin-turbocharged engines or also the twin-scroll single-turborcharged ones? For what it's worth, I have always viewed BMWs as excellent road cars, not track stars. If you want something for the track, given the price you pay for a BMW sedan or coupe, and the weight penalties you take on for various luxury features, I imagine there are many better options out there (why not get a true sports car?).

voxsartoria · Jun 1, 2010

Originally Posted by mafoofan

If you want something for the track, given the price you pay for a BMW sedan or coupe, and the weight penalties you take on for various luxury features, I imagine there are many better options out there (why not get a true sports car?).

There easily can be, if you want a dedicated car for the track and a second for the street.

If you want both qualities in one, a BMW M is a better compromise than most other options.

- B

jet · Jun 1, 2010

god this is like reading rf in 2002 all over again

foo can you answer my pm homie?

A Y · Jun 1, 2010

Originally Posted by mafoofan

Hmm. Does this apply only to the twin-turbocharged engines or also the twin-scroll single-turborcharged ones?

Mostly the N54, but the N55 hasn't been out long enough for people to try them out yet. The new 335is seems intended for more sporty driving. We'll see ... Also, the 328, with the NA version of the 3L I6, also does the limping thing. No idea what's going on there.

For what it's worth, I have always viewed BMWs as excellent road cars, not track stars.

I agree somewhat: until recently, their strength has been a unique balance of luxury, practicality, and sportiness, but, except for the M1 and the E30 M3, I don't think of them as track stars. They may not be the fastest track cars out there, but they shouldn't go into limp mode in 3 laps on a cool day. They should be capable and competent on the track like their predecessors. I think they've lost their way.

--Andre

voxsartoria · Jun 1, 2010

Originally Posted by jet

god this is like reading rf in 2002 all over again

STFU.

- B

George · Jun 2, 2010

Originally Posted by A Y

The oil gets too hot probably because the oil coolers are too small, and the engine goes into a low-power mode to save itself. People have measured oil temps at nearly 300F after track driving, and at least 1 3rd party tuner has a larger oil cooler that helps solve this issue. The M versions of the BMW SUVs have blown V8s, and come with much larger oil coolers, but no reports from the racetrack yet. I assume the new blown M engines will be similar. --Andre
Interesting, potentail oil coking isn't going to be healthy for for the turbo's bearings. I remember BMW having problems with their turbo's on Diesels sold in South Africa a few years ago.

impolyt_one · Jun 2, 2010

Originally Posted by jet

Looked at some cars this weekend and talked to a couple of dealers.

Audi has such terrible leases it's not even worth considering, will not purchase or own another german car out of warranty. Checked out the new 5 which is much much nicer than the e60 except for the horrendous hood lines which they are incorporating on pretty much every model. It kills everything it has going for it including the beautiful rear and interior.

Thought about a cts-v briefly, maybe will still test drive. Can't bring myself to pick up a new m3.

I think the new 5 looks kinda cheap, especially from the rear, I keep mistaking them for Infiniti M's because of the red taillamp shape. I'd drive one if they gave it to me, but not likely, since a 523i is 65 grand here, with the leatherette. lol. That's about what a car costs here in general, though.

Why no go on the new M3? and no AMGs? the new E63 looks like a pretty tidy package.

jet · Jun 2, 2010

I saw it in person and looked nice but the hood lines are horrendous and the way it refracts light is even worse. There is no leatherette here they all come with leather I'm pretty sure.

I actually do quite like the previous chassis e63 and thought about getting one used or a clk 63 black series, black of course used as well. I'm just not a sedan guy and a 997s is perfectly fitting for me (gt3 ideally).

Foo answer your pm jeezus.

Dmax · Jun 2, 2010

Originally Posted by A Y

... Also, the 328, with the NA version of the 3L I6, also does the limping thing. No idea what's going on there... --Andre
This is a surprise. I believe the limp mode problems on N54 equipped 335/535 cars were mostly caused by High Pressure Fuel Pump failures, often repeated failures. I haven't heard of these type of issues with 328 (N51/N52 engine), which don't share the same HPFP unit, AFAIK. Consumer Reports even rated E90/E92 328 as the most reliable of current BMWs, FWIW.

Originally Posted by jet

I saw it in person and looked nice but the hood lines are horrendous and the way it refracts light is even worse. There is no leatherette here they all come with leather I'm pretty sure....
The leatherette is still standard on 528/535 in US and was standard on the outgoing -2010 5-series as well. If you don't want to pay extra for leather you have to spring for a 550i.

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