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post #25711 of 26282
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

You have to look at who I was giving the advice to. wink.gif

No h8.

I would never expect h8 from a fellow Scotch Canadian..and more importantly Rush fan. smile.gif
post #25712 of 26282
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Just saw this. I fully agree. Why I rip on the i3, besides it handling like shit, is that it starts at ~45k and the Model S starts at ~66k. The base S is a much bigger, better handling, and practical car, comes with more standard technology. is far faster - speed and charging, gets around 200 miles, compared to 100 miles, and isn't loud with blue accents, obnoxious wheels and tacky shit everywhere.

Why I'm fine with the Leaf and Prius (and other hybrids and full electric cars like Fiat's 500e) is that they are decent cars for their price point. They're not trying to compete with Tesla, maybe do say tree hugger, but, well whatevs.

 

There's nothing wrong with targeting tree huggers: in fact, it was probably necessary.  But that market is tapped: Toyota just dominated that space.  Why do all these companies try to fight in that space when there is so much white space.  I rather go into a market with a product with a unique value proposition rather than enter a space with another me too product.  Almost all the electric vehicles are small, "unique" design that don't target the average car shopper.

I know you can't create a fully electric full sized SUV for starting at $30k that anyone would buy, but why is BMW not making an all electric Z4 or 1-series convertible?  Why isn't Ford doing an all electric Transit van for all those trades guys out there that spend the day buzzing around town.  That's a perfect application - not dealing with the awful gas mileage of all the city driving they do.  That should be an easy sell: save on gas, save on your guys' time filling up at the gas station, etc, etc.  Plus there are green business owners who need more space than a Prius can offer.

post #25713 of 26282
I don't think that Prius space is fully tapped, but my concern is that the Model 3 will kill that space without having a competitor. I've seen non-camo prototype 3s floating around Fremont. They look positively boring, small, and most importantly, like a regular car. Tesla has built up enough of a cult - they call people like me Teslavangelists behind closed doors - that a lot of people will switch and many new buyers will go to them.

I like healthy competition. I like Google pushing Apple, I like Blue Origin pushing SpaceX, I like Amazon pushing Microsoft, Costco pushing Sams Club, etc. For now, Tesla is only fighting themselves at the higher end, and in 2 years, at the mainstream end.

I'd hate for it remain that way and what more can they do than say use our patents, Superchargers, and other technology in good faith and we won't sue you.
post #25714 of 26282
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Originally Posted by SirReveller View Post

I would never expect h8 from a fellow Scotch Canadian..and more importantly Rush fan. smile.gif

What part of Windsor is that in?
post #25715 of 26282
Over here, almost everything is a hybrid on the market. Think i have seen a few Prius wagons too. There is a category of work vehicles that are cheap work wagons. Those, and the Kei van platform lend themselves to being the answer to @brokencycle's question. Suzuki is ahead of the game:


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Edited by Thrift Vader - 10/10/16 at 6:18pm
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A good city car is this:
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Originally Posted by Thrift Vader View Post

Over here, almost everything is a hybrid on the market. Think i have seen a few Prius wagons too. There is a category of work vehicles that are cheap work wagons. Those, and the Kei van platform lend themselves to being the answer to @brokencycle's question.
As does toyota's new roadster.
With the new honda 660. That would also be a good city electric toy car.

A good city car is this:



Whoops, wrong thread.
post #25717 of 26282
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

What part of Windsor is that in?

Looks to be a NE suburb. Dead south of Grosse Pointe lol. Why?
post #25718 of 26282
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Originally Posted by SirReveller View Post

Looks to be a NE suburb. Dead south of Grosse Pointe lol. Why?

The pics didn't show much in terms of scenery but I figured Riverside. See if you can get into a tour of Hiram Walker while you're there. Also, that's the side of town the VIA station is so you're golden.
post #25719 of 26282
Ahhh you're a SW ON boy. I get it. Yeah the distillery. For sure. I had one day in Windsor for a sales call years ago. Cabbie told me about the town. I remember the distillery. Got hammered on the VIA the way home. Fun!
post #25720 of 26282
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Originally Posted by ramuman View Post

A good city car is this:
A good city car is this:



Whoops, wrong thread.

 

Bikes and bicycles are great in the city, but their utility is low for work vehicles. I do really appreciate the kei car concept especially in EV's. It might not be feasible to ban cars in urban environments, but requiring work cars/trucks to be electric would cut down on pollution so much. Can you imagine if every cab, delivery truck, mail truck, etc etc etc were electric and charge stations were everywhere?

It makes so much sense to do that in a big city. NYC, SF, Philly, Boston, LA, DC. It cuts down on noise so much as well!

I remember when delhi mandated public vehicles to switch over to compressed natural gas. The air quality improved quite a bit...atleast till a billion more cars hit the road, but that's saying something.

post #25721 of 26282
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post

Bikes and bicycles are great in the city, but their utility is low for work vehicles. I do really appreciate the kei car concept especially in EV's. It might not be feasible to ban cars in urban environments, but requiring work cars/trucks to be electric would cut down on pollution so much. Can you imagine if every cab, delivery truck, mail truck, etc etc etc were electric and charge stations were everywhere?


It makes so much sense to do that in a big city. NYC, SF, Philly, Boston, LA, DC. It cuts down on noise so much as well!


I remember when delhi mandated public vehicles to switch over to compressed natural gas. The air quality improved quite a bit...atleast till a billion more cars hit the road, but that's saying something.

#joke_flying_over_head

I do really dig the Ducati Monster though.
post #25722 of 26282
Awww @brumuman. No love for the Suzuki "Every" EV kei van? Either seats 5 people. Or 2+ cargo area. Plenty of space for batteries.and not much weight to move. To top it all off? Super small wheelbase. Making it ideal in busy cities for both families and workers in various trim forms. It is an indication of where things are going .
No way Tesla is just fighting itself in the budget market 2 years from now.
One more time. Soak it in. .

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post #25723 of 26282
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Originally Posted by Thrift Vader View Post

Awww @brumuman. No love for the Suzuki "Every" EV kei van? Either seats 5 people. Or 2+ cargo area. Plenty of space for batteries.and not much weight to move. To top it all off? Super small wheelbase. Making it ideal for both families and workers in various trim forms. It is an indication of where things are going .
No way Tesla is just fighting itself in the budget market 2 years from now.
One more time. Soak it in. .

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smile.gif - that looks like my fall Lego gift to myself:



Like I said in my post above, I hope companies do compete with Tesla - and everyone that works directly and indirectly at/for Tesla would welcome it. Unsure who is remotely close though.

I'd put a bullet in my head before I was ever seen in public in that thing.
post #25724 of 26282
You love it.
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post #25725 of 26282
Looks like the patriarch of honesty has weighed in: http://finance.yahoo.com/m/24e7874e-5479-349b-bee8-51a70e6ae2b0/coal-mining-boss%3A-‘tesla-is-a.html

Selling all my shares of Tesla today. Also planning to buy Nissan shares just to sell them.

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