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post #25186 of 27004
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Originally Posted by ramuman View Post

I think Papaya Orange and LM would fetch a ton. His is really rare. I'd be curious what it goes for, but it has to be up there in the $50m range. I could be wrong.

I think short of cars that the factories would never sell like the moterwagen or what not, it has to up there.

 

Parts of his collection have been on display at museums, and having seen some of his cars there and he definitely owns the best of the best.  His F1 LM is rare...but he has lots of very rare, very special cars that are worth between say 5 million and 20 Million dollars.  His 250 GTO and his Bugatti 57SC Atlantic (one of 2 cars) are both $40 milllion plus...heck I've even heard someone say if his Bugatti went up for sale at auction it could fetch $100 Million.  I've seen F1s (not an LM ) in person and they are cool, but considering the F1 LM that sold last year sold for 13.75 Million (which wasn't even the high end of the auction estimate), and with a soft market for collector cars right now,...I'm not sure why you think it would be $50 Million.  They are great cars no doubt, but in today's market... I think an F1 LM would be lucky to hit last year's record high.   

post #25187 of 27004
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Parts of his collection have been on display at museums, and having seen some of his cars there and he definitely owns the best of the best.  His F1 LM is rare...but he has lots of very rare, very special cars that are worth between say 5 million and 20 Million dollars.  His 250 GTO and his Bugatti 57SC Atlantic (one of 2 cars) are both $40 milllion plus...heck I've even heard someone say if his Bugatti went up for sale at auction it could fetch $100 Million.  I've seen F1s (not an LM ) in person and they are cool, but considering the F1 LM that sold last year sold for 13.75 Million (which wasn't even the high end of the auction estimate), and with a soft market for collector cars right now,...I'm not sure why you think it would be $50 Million.  They are great cars no doubt, but in today's market... I think an F1 LM would be lucky to hit last year's record high.   

Interesting thoughts on it. I guess I'm infatuated/delusional a bit with F1, but fully see your take on it.
post #25188 of 27004
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Originally Posted by bawlin View Post

Since when are 6-speeds considered the wrong transmission?

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My mistake if that's a manual...I swore I thought the different colored part of the knob was an A/T lockout button facepalm.gif
post #25189 of 27004
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Originally Posted by ramuman View Post


Interesting thoughts on it. I guess I'm infatuated/delusional a bit with F1, but fully see your take on it.

Well, as you will soon be a McLaren fan I can appreciate your enthusiasm for the brand and its history.  The F1 is a special car...and I'd say even if the record is currently a mere $13.75 million...that puts it in pretty rarefied company. 

post #25190 of 27004
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The owner should have ordered it with "Deviating carpet" which is usually black in these cars.  

While on the subject. Why are so many luxury cars so poorly spec'd, it seems like most people who buy them from new are colorblind.

Bentayga's currently for sale in Germany.


post #25191 of 27004

Because money doesn't buy taste.

post #25192 of 27004
Most luxury cars I see are usually very neutrally specced, especially with color schemes. The dealers play the odds on what colors are nice yet as inoffensive/unremarkable as possible. Which is fine, but they also usually spec a lot of options I don't like, and leave out the more sport oriented options that I do want.

I have no explanation for that Bentayga, though. In Europe, does Bentley appeal to a more, ahem, FLAMBOYANT clientele??
post #25193 of 27004
Those are 2 different cars from 2 different dealers both brand new. One has black carpet, the other one has red.

To some degree yes, but footballers and Nuevo Riche Russians will ruin anything with gaudy wraps.

I was looking at e63s a while ago and there were a lot of oddly spec'ed cars there as well. It may just be a German thing though.
post #25194 of 27004

Say what you want about the miatas re power etc etc etc, but they did a lot of things really well.

 

 

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Since when are 6-speeds considered the wrong transmission?

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It is on said car above. 6th gear isn't an overdrive. The entire transmission is stronger, but the gearing changes basically make it a pain in the ass instead of helpful on the highway...
post #25195 of 27004
I went to check out that 997.2s. I'm in love.

This was my first time driving a 6-speed 997 and after having driven both transmissions, I have no idea why people are going on about PDK being so excellent. I cannot remember being more disappointed in anything than I was after I drove a PDK-equipped 997 a few weeks back. By contrast, this 6-speed was truly magnificent. The throws could be shorter but this is easily rectifiable. With regards to the interior, it's stunning in person, The combination of full leather, sport buckets w/ hardbacks, and black alcantara headliner somehow works in person in a way that it doesn't in photos. Something you would have to see in person to understand. In terms of the exterior, it has the Turbo-II wheels which are hands down the nicest stock wheel for the Carrera S.

The downside? No Sports Chrono. Not as important an option for a 6-speed car as it is for PDK, however this is still something I would want (and I suspect most do as well, which is why the car has been sitting for a while).

I'm really torn.
post #25196 of 27004
Did somebody already share this? I don't care, it's good enough to repost. It looks like Porsche had a good look at what was making Singer so successful and made the 911R in response.

Edited by mike1445 - 9/27/16 at 1:09pm
post #25197 of 27004
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Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post


While on the subject. Why are so many luxury cars so poorly spec'd, it seems like most people who buy them from new are colorblind.

Bentayga's currently for sale in Germany.


 

Wow that is really ugly.  Then again, I have to say regardless of color schemes there isn't a modern Bentley I'd want to own anyway.

 

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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

Most luxury cars I see are usually very neutrally specced, especially with color schemes. The dealers play the odds on what colors are nice yet as inoffensive/unremarkable as possible. Which is fine, but they also usually spec a lot of options I don't like, and leave out the more sport oriented options that I do want.
 

Yup, the dealers pick what they think will sell.  Mrs. Dino and I really didn't care for any of the color combinations available so we spec'd the car ourselves.  We had a lot of fun doing it too!  

Hence we got no-resale Dark Metallic Blue (which we love) with the 2 tone Agate gray and pebble gray with deviating stitching, and ordered brushed aluminum to get rid of the cheapo looking plastic trim across the dash and we love how the car looks and we had fun creating it!

 

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Originally Posted by bawlin View Post

I went to check out that 997.2s. I'm in love.

This was my first time driving a 6-speed 997 and after having driven both transmissions, I have no idea why people are going on about PDK being so excellent. I cannot remember being more disappointed in anything than I was after I drove a PDK-equipped 997 a few weeks back. By contrast, this 6-speed was truly magnificent. The throws could be shorter but this is easily rectifiable. With regards to the interior, it's stunning in person, The combination of full leather, sport buckets w/ hardbacks, and black alcantara headliner somehow works in person in a way that it doesn't in photos. Something you would have to see in person to understand. In terms of the exterior, it has the Turbo-II wheels which are hands down the nicest stock wheel for the Carrera S.

The downside? No Sports Chrono. Not as important an option for a 6-speed car as it is for PDK, however this is still something I would want (and I suspect most do as well, which is why the car has been sitting for a while).

I'm really torn.

 

I don't mind the red interior, but I'd get dark colored floor mats to tone things down a bit.

 

Well, if someone has to go with an automatic, PDK is brilliant!  I've yet to drive an automatic I liked more.  However, we went with a six speed manual and love it !!!  While sport chrono, doesn't make the car quicker, it remaps the throttle response, gives a harder redline (So it doesn't cut out as early) and just feels far more responsive.  When buying used, you have to go with what is available, but I love Sport chrono even on their manual cars...I don't think I'd buy one without it.  Good luck with whatever you decide.

post #25198 of 27004
Bentgaya? Anyone who spends that much money on a Volkswagen Touareg is flamboyant. And a moron.
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/22/autos/cosmopolitan-seat-car/index.html

The first car designed specifically for Cosmo drivers. The article brings the lulz.
post #25200 of 27004

@Thrift Vader  saw a bentagaya. It made him get all bent-outta-shape-ah.

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