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post #24436 of 26303
Dino: Porsche definitely has that reliability factor for a top-tier sports car you can drive daily. 0 garage queen risk, as it were. And they make gorgeous stuff. Hard to say "oh those suck" and have any evidence whatsoever lol. And so, yeah, def a lot of guys that can afford one all come to the same conclusion vs a similar spend on other more exotic models, as you point out. What I was having a lil fun with though is in downtown Toronto - and keep in mind a major financial center so egos etc - a lot of these guys are just kinda conformist and kinda pussy somehow. Like they'd all select auto and few would even know much about what they're driving and the status element was the biggest factor in their purchase.

Chalk this up to the bitter rantings of a Porscheless man but there's kinda a Porsche hierarchy. The top dog on Bay St (Canada's parochial version of Wall St) in this was the only guy with a 918, though apparently it got destroyed

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/toronto/michael-wekerle-s-porsche-918-spyder-burns-at-caledon-gas-station-1.2781633

He was kinda king of the heap in this hierarchy and you'd see him cruising around every week or two. Then the next tier is these generic banker types in their 50s and they all have newish 911s. This would be observable daily. Then the older stuff and Caymans for the 40somethings, and so forth. Always black too. Always, lol.

I was hardly some dynamic individualist in the M3 of course - and the dispersion would broadly include a ton of nice people with Porsches if you step back from the fishbowl I've described - but I always found this kinda funny nonetheless and it soured me on the brand a bit. Just to be a view askew I always thought it'd be cool to have a 1970 Chevelle SS droptop or something totally original. More realistically that ZL1 or similar. Even that old slow 600 would have been an original, though maybe that was my own lame attempt at a status symbol tongue.gif

Anyway, wrt the ZL1 I'm pretty immature but not to the level of trying to go around trying to race like some badass wannabe, and most of these guys would be too buttoned down to be game for such juvenile antics, but off the line with the M3 I did have several brief head to heads on the way to work over the years - and not of my own doing most of the time either - so having the performance there is always nice. Fun anytime, really. smile.gif Going up that on ramp during the test drive with the 600 was kinda a letdown actually looking back on it, lol.
post #24437 of 26303
If you're turned off from Porsche because you're wary of negative perceptions, then why on earth are you looking at a Camaro?

Snark aside, I have about a month's worth of experience with a Camaro SS. Hated it and the flaws are not likely to be fixed by the ZL1 spec. The weight, the poor way the chassis transfers that weight, poor visibility, abysmal build quality (I had trim pieces falling off within a few days on a 3000 mile car), zero refinement in the steering, switchgear, and materials.

Dino alluded to this but it's built to be a $20-25k car and I guess this is what you get for that price. The ZL1 will make it faster and probably handle and brake better, but it doesn't fix any of the above
post #24438 of 26303
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The 996 lacks the quality and reliability that 911s have been known for, and for those reasons I have little interest in them.  As for your slamming European cars, there are plenty of great ones, but as long as your happy with what you have that's all that matters.  
I'm convinced now that i should trade in all my eurotrash and buy sub-$10k lawnmowers lol8[1].gif
post #24439 of 26303
Pretty sure if you spent 10k on a lawn mower, it would start everytime. wink.gif


What formed my opinions on eurotrash, is actually being the guy who has to fix them. I have been intimately acqainted with Volvo, Bmw,Ferrari,lotus,Renault,Autobianchi, and others. (Autobianchi Abarth for FTW)icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
I get it, folks like to rent these, and upgrade every few years. But the quality isn't there. Not by a long shot. Neither is the performance. Or reliability.

Rtc. The parts list i prescribed comes to around 3k. For 140hp being conservative.
post #24440 of 26303
Hroi I'm not worried about negative perceptions of me; if anything I have an overly negative perception of the usual drivers I observe lol. More to the point though I'm just aiming for something more original rather than joining the pack.'Course, a whaletail 930 is basically unseen..pretty dirty tongue.gifwink.gif
post #24441 of 26303
Oh and def poor visibility with a Camaro; h/e this would be a droptop. As for German quality..I dunno. All sorts of trim broke on my M3 by 50k miles+. Tahoe is holding up well at 40k miles but I'm sure same will occur as the odo clicks onward. As you can see I don't have a serious pro or anti Detroit vs Stuttgart or w/e stance. I try to evaluate a model on its objective merits. As a mechanic once said to me "metal doesn't know where it's from". Interiors will always be more luxe on any import but as long as the seat is comfy and your switches and gauges are well placed I could give a shit about burloak or stitching along the dash lol.

I will add tho that the German numbers do get some extra headturn purely on the basis of you now being a premium boy. And blondes at the very least vaguely know a BMW or Porsche logo vs an ol' Chevy bowtie even if they know jackshit about the actual car. (Probably many a 323 owner has been thankful for this reality haha.) That's at least a good and real reason to factor in the Deutschland halo effect wink.gif ..that is, vs some BS marketing-based belief the bolts have some kind of Teutonic master strength that witnesses them degrading 1/3 as fast as an "American" bolt. happy.gif
post #24442 of 26303
^well said. 100%

Hey, there are some pretty crap, or over rated cars out of Japan too. But the good ones? World class.

I mean, is a Porsche going to have less long term issues than a Mitsubishi GTO VR4? Absolutely.
Is a E36 M3 a better GT car than a Z32 fairladyTT? Not in a million years. Is a mk3 golf Gti a match for my car? snork[1].gif

It all boils down to what you demand from a car.
i demand performance, build quality, and versatility. Something that works, has great parts support. And is engaging to drive. I have wanted to go Italian. For an Autobianchi, or an Alfa GTV. But cash in hand at an auction? I'd prolly roll home in another Gc8 Sti,a Z32 TT or an S15 Silvia. Imho, 3 of the finest performance cars ever produced.

Scoff, take a step back. See what they are, what they do. Fantastic cars.
Edited by Thrift Vader - 8/22/16 at 3:12am
post #24443 of 26303
Got it, because they are not as reliable as Japanese cars in general terms, they're all trash. Uh huh.

Trash in terms of performance and build quality? 99% of them? Utter bullshit. Sure, the shoe fits for some (I'm looking at you DaimlerChrysler), but I guess literally the entire automotive world must be missing something, huh
post #24444 of 26303
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Originally Posted by SirReveller View Post

Hroi I'm not worried about negative perceptions of me; if anything I have an overly negative perception of the usual drivers I observe lol. More to the point though I'm just aiming for something more original rather than joining the pack.'Course, a whaletail 930 is basically unseen..pretty dirty tongue.gifwink.gif
You were on the right track with the pre-DC SL convertibles, then. Or if you want a non-European recommendation, the most headturning car in my community is a black/black 97-ish Viper GTS. Available for less than a ZL1.
post #24445 of 26303
Thanks Hroi. A buddy got an earlier Viper TA. Haven't seen it live yet but am told it's insane. I was thinkin about your experience with the Camaro and if I proceeded with the fastest of these Transformers I'd certainly be doing a lot more research.

Of course, the new SS is a 4 second flat car just like that ZL1, and simply with the new vette motor- no supercharging. And it's getting stellar reviews.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D87tO7VUs2I

No deal$ though obv on a '16 frown.gif
post #24446 of 26303
Did you see that honest viper ad? It was pretty hilarious.
post #24447 of 26303
Oh yeah, it will definitely try to kill you. This guy has a hellcat also, so let's see how long he lives
post #24448 of 26303
Hellcat is so ridiculous happy.gif

Not to spam but I'm lovin this show. For any extended work dumps today:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RWQ-dnpplaA
post #24449 of 26303
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Hellcat is so ridiculous happy.gif

Not to spam but I'm lovin this show. For any extended work dumps today:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RWQ-dnpplaA

 

"The hellcat sounds like a volcano arguing with itself."

"It just goes like an angry drunken cannonball."

post #24450 of 26303
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

Got it, because they are not as reliable as Japanese cars in general terms, they're all trash. Uh huh.

Trash in terms of performance and build quality? 99% of them? Utter bullshit. Sure, the shoe fits for some (I'm looking at you DaimlerChrysler), but I guess literally the entire automotive world must be missing something, huh

Well. Yeah.

Reliability is no.1. I mean, it ain't fast if it's broken or on fire. With euro cars you can have fast, reliable, or well built. But not all 3. Not even 2 out of 3.
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